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This is where you also have to be careful with the setup of the editor/Ipad/Itweak. If you can or do select the FOH mix by accident you can start moving the faders on the FOH console and really freak out the engineer there. He may not realize what is going on. Any mix can be controlled from any “surface control” at any time. Or two can control the same mix. If there is a way to lock a mix to only a single surface or controller would be nice. If it exist could someone possibly share. I am unaware of this feature.

JEFF FLOWERS
VOLCANO ADUIO PRODUCTS
SHEPHERDSVILLE KY-USA

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The editor runs along with the mixrack. Changing the “show” set up in the editor would also reconfigure the mixrack. you have to maintain the same show in the editor and mixrack that are connected. You can assign the outputs and build them as monitors as you like. With as many as you like until you hit either your bus limit or the output limit of your mixrack. Just as simple as setting an Aux out for say 8 monitor mixes, you can then send each of those to a out of the mix rack. With a computer interfaced and set up for each Aux(monitor mix) each operator could control their own mixes. This provided the operators dont try to get silly and mess with each other or the FOH mix. This works well in the Ipad app or even the tweak app as well.

JEFF FLOWERS
VOLCANO ADUIO PRODUCTS
SHEPHERDSVILLE KY-USA

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Using you editor on stage, set up a custom strip for the monitor controls. Multiple editor sessions on multiple computers could be used for different controls. I have done this with a laptop on each side of the stage for easy access and also a seperate control at FOH. Using an instance of editor at foh allows you to make changes to fx and or other settings while not having to mess wih the touch screen. Pulling up a specific monitor feed and changing the mix to that output is very simple from the editor. you will not have to change your FOH show. Just change the layout in the custom strip tab to help maintain the use of the monitors.

JEFF FLOWERS
VOLCANO ADUIO PRODUCTS
SHEPHERDSVILLE KY-USA

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A bigger t-series with more faders—yes. In a recent demo wth a church and volunteers they realy expresed the desire to have more faders then the t-112 offers. They are used to the anologue 56 faders and having everything on one layer. switching layers for someone who uses the board every 3 weeks could get a bit confusing. especially if the show layout and or strip lay out gets changed after they last used it. The t-series has all the flexibility that most needs. however the modular series does have its place and use.

Lets take this a step further—Do away with the “touch” screen and just add a mouse pointer on a LCD, LED TFT type screen. I would likely use a larger external screen to see more clearly anyway. The touch screen is hard to see in bright light(sometimes impossible outside). This could possible bring down the cost of a system even a bit more, making it even more affordable for those who dont ooh and awe over touch screens.

My thoughts and of course this is all just Ideas that may or may not fit into the grand scene of A&H and their market coverage.

JEFF FLOWERS
VOLCANO ADUIO PRODUCTS
SHEPHERDSVILLE KY-USA

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Biggsounds, you are correct and i agree. I would not want a singer on the front of the stage controlling a mix for multiple monitors or even multiple singers. Woutert is is correct in my thinking. For IEM and personal mixing only is my thoought process. only the ability to have multiple monitor mixers or controlls easily set up with a minimum of hardware.

Cyrus100 seems to think that multiple Busses can be accessed and altered at the same time. I can see this as maybe being an issue if to many busses were accessed and altered. At what load would the processor handle before this became an issue?

With this being possible, It would be very nice to have an editor version that had limited access to only what is set up on that interface. I am only thinking out loud here. Hoping tho give feedback for something as yet another addon to an extremely flexible system. I truly think A&H has one of the finest consoles going. Bank for the buck it cannot be beat. User friendly yes.

I-Live, with what some have requested as add ons, could grow into another of those expensive consoles that would take a true engineer to run all the time. not to mention a bank account full of money to purchase. At this point I think that these guys are realy trying to, and doing a fine job of keeping it to a level of great product easy to learn and use.

Thanks guys for all the input….continued education is a fine thing..

JEFF FLOWERS
VOLCANO ADUIO PRODUCTS
SHEPHERDSVILLE KY-USA

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After thinking about this more:

Does the architechure of the mix rack itself support more than one user “editing” or making changes to different buss mixes at the same?
Do we rally need to have it become so difficult for lay users? Administrative and non administrative passwords and protection?
I understand running editor from multiple computers through the network, however if say 10 or 12 are running will they all represent feedback to the surface(running 1 will feedback for fader movement and controls being changed are witnessed). How would multiples effect this.

I am something simple for those that are scared of touching computers. guitar players, singers, drummers(except me) all know their gift, but when it comes to computers and apps for something like this they will likely not take the time to learn too much about something they only use once or twice a week.

still just more thoughts and wishes for the future…..

JEFF FLOWERS
VOLCANO ADUIO PRODUCTS
SHEPHERDSVILLE KY-USA

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John thanks for the reply.

I have yet to purchase The I pad app. I have however downloaded the trial. It seems to do all that I am asking. However I have not figured how to “lock” it to only on individual bus mix. Meaning if someone wanted to, they could accidently pull up a wrong mix and start altering something they should not. As I said, I do not have the I-Pad app to use currently, so it may exist. If this possible and I am not aware of how to accomplish this. Can you give me a pointer? If so Just another reason to love the I-Live system even more.

A simple app for us Editor/PC followers would be nice–

JEFF FLOWERS
VOLCANO ADUIO PRODUCTS
SHEPHERDSVILLE KY-USA

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mumu, Biggsounds, You guys have a great Idea here. This is something theat I have looked at several times. Personal monitor mix is getting to be a bigger selling point for some other systems. It is also something that would make the I-Live system a more complete system(already great bang for the buck). After working with other software that is out there, they have a remote that links via TCP/IP to the host editor. Then pass word protected for each(up to 24) monitor mixes from 24 different remote computers or tablets. Something like thi would be a really nice added feature for Allen And Heath. Would likely make a lot more secure for the end novice user and a great added selling point for the system as a whole. Our drummer is tone deaf and in a seperate romm. He Loves the editor but would be real bad if he ended up making changes to the FOH-

JEFF FLOWERS
VOLCANO ADUIO PRODUCTS
SHEPHERDSVILLE KY-USA

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JAN,
So far as per the mix pad page, The app does not support dual racks. The slave channles would not be recognized by the mix pad app.

JEFF FLOWERS
VOLCANO ADUIO PRODUCTS
SHEPHERDSVILLE KY-USA

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It sounds like a couple of you guys are now playing with the app. For those of us yet to see or play with it a question:

Would you think it be possible with the Ipad and App to run as personal monitor mixes for stage use in say a worship environment? If so how limited on the number of Ipads running for how many musicians could be set up to run different mixes?

I am sure this would be one of those maybe yet to be determined things but It would be interesting if say a 6 musician band could set up their I-pads and actually control their own monitor mixes—-or is the app that far advanced that it would allow for a way to keep musician”a” from playing with musician”b” and his mix or the “foh” as far as that goes.
Any good way of locking the App on a particular Ipad to a particular set of channels and output?

Thanks for the contiunued learning, input and teaching on the forum!!!!

Jeff Flowers

JEFF FLOWERS
VOLCANO ADUIO PRODUCTS
SHEPHERDSVILLE KY-USA

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Thanks Sam.
You guys are great. looking forward to working with theses boards more in the future. I love mixing on these consoles.

JEFF FLOWERS
VOLCANO ADUIO PRODUCTS
SHEPHERDSVILLE KY-USA

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MUMU,
Thanks, also another thing I love about I-Live the forum with so many that are willing to share.

And I agree wit you on the Yamaha Conspiracy and Dante. I think that A&H will be way ahead of alot of others when they actually can offer this. The Church we are demoing in Has a Yamaha m3000a. HUGE difference in Quality and control of dynamics on the Ilive[]

JEFF FLOWERS
VOLCANO ADUIO PRODUCTS
SHEPHERDSVILLE KY-USA

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That is also the way I am understanding it. This would make for real nice set up. Have a extension in the choir room for those big productions when there is an offstage choir singing. The monitors and mics all fed throught the 16x i/o. Or even in some instances we have had to use multi rooms for overflow of large gatherings. if expected drop a extension in at a pre ran network cable, load a preset scene and go. I had the thought of just using it as an interface for say recording only. These are great systems and Allen and Heath has found a way to make the a/d to d/a converters at a very reasonable price. If they only had a way of controlling the pres without the mix rack….

JEFF FLOWERS
VOLCANO ADUIO PRODUCTS
SHEPHERDSVILLE KY-USA

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abstractnoise, you are likely correct. I saw this and the thought popped into my mind. There are installs where it would be nice to have a box like this that could be integrated into a networked system. Multi room conference centers or large banquet halls. You may only need microphones or input for other applications and no effects processing. With the up and coming when it gets here DANTE network this would be one of the easiest to connect and well you get the drift. Just hadnot thought it complete through..

JEFF FLOWERS
VOLCANO ADUIO PRODUCTS
SHEPHERDSVILLE KY-USA

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Andy, I am new to the forum but have been following for some time. Hopes to have a I-Live before next year.I agree that the Reac system is very nice. However that particular product is very “within itself”. I would sugest that maybe you look at the Allen and Heath PL series controllers. They adapt very niceley and with the outstanding customer support that you read about so much here on the forum. Why would we need to look any further. There are already several other interfaces that work well and so many of them can be adapted. I personally like the Hear bus and the adaptable system. There are others that work well if you can give up the additional analog outs that also interface easily. If you dont mind me asking What setting are you working in the Most. Have a great day.

JEFF FLOWERS
VOLCANO ADUIO PRODUCTS
SHEPHERDSVILLE KY-USA

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