[guyharrisParticipant]

Graham …

I hope you have a fall-back position on this! I never try out a new OS without either having a test machine, or having waited for a few weeks for the initial release bugs to be sorted out.

Apple stopped giving a sh*t about professional users a long time ago, and I don’t trust their new OSs anymore, until they’ve been tested and de-bugged for a few weeks or months. I made this mistake once, and regretted it!

But please let us know how it goes!

Cheers!

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[guyharrisParticipant]

OK – thanks guys. I’m going to try a couple of set-ups and test.

Andy: surely then, recalling the correct scene should re-allocate the assignments correctly then?

Thanks!

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[guyharrisParticipant]

Update: Editor 1.82 doesn’t crash. When simulating the 6 ports, A-F, with 6 PL10s, the allocation is perfect!

So: it’s something to do with the ‘real’ world set-up …

Thanks!

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[guyharrisParticipant]

The MADI set-up works seamlessly for me, either running to a laptop (MacBook Pro) or to the main MacPro. Although it’s more expensive than the Dante (if it ever comes!), it is really quick and stable. I stream 16 – 32 sample channels from Mainstage, whilst simultaneously recording 40 the other way, on the same machine.

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[guyharrisParticipant]

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Originally posted by woutert

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Originally posted by woutert

And it arrived today… see if I can get it up and running in 30 minutes before our show tonight.

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I could just hear how it sounded for them and make it better than if I would have had to rely on their comments only.

Great!!

Wouter

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AMEN!

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[guyharrisParticipant]

Yes, it sounds scary, and Tweak wouldn’t be my ideal controller. The scenario is that a sax player in a bar rings me up and says, ‘I need a bit more, as I’m playing alto instead of tenor’. Oh, and I’d have to trust the muso! I would prefer to use the Editor, and therefore be able to see levels, but I doubt any current broadband system is going to have enough stable bandwidth.

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[guyharrisParticipant]

At the risk of being boring, we’re extremely happy with our MADI set-up, which is the one described by Xvision:

“The only “acceptable” on paper seems to be MADI with an RME interface on the PC end” … although we use Mac rather than PC.

In fact, I had to ADD latency through MainStage to make the Ivory piano samples feel real: they were coming back at the pianists too quickly, which was uncomfortable. That’s possibly because the musicians were used to latency in the previous MOTU-based system.

Seems to be two different starting points for discussions here: running sample sources and simply routing live mics through the system, and there being a problem with latency. These would appear to be incompatible scenarios. In any case, it’s NEVER going to be possible to compensate fully for the alignment of different sound sources; this is a problem known to church organists and other sound stages where musicians have to compensate continuously.

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[guyharrisParticipant]

I would want to administer a static iLive installation in a bar remotely. I have been able to get Tweak to interrogate an iDR remotely, but it won’t get any further than the login screen. The only way to do this, as far as I can see, is to use a local editor and use ShareScreen or similar.

Cheers!

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[guyharrisParticipant]

I guess nobody has managed this?

Oh well …

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[guyharrisParticipant]

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Originally posted by Biggsounds

Maybe thats something that’s achievable with either Dante or MADI via ableton or the like?

iDR32 mixrack
MixRack for iPad & Tweak for iPhone apps
Asus N61 Laptop (x2 wireless)
Sennheiser IEM (for PFL)
Dante card (soon!)

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We use Mainstage for this purpose.

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[guyharrisParticipant]

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Originally posted by john@eartsinc

Sorry to be the one who delivers the bad new. I just called to get an update from A&H. Apparently Dante will not be shipping in the states till May. [!]

John
System Integrator
Entertainment Arts Inc.

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Only in the US?

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[guyharrisParticipant]

@wolfgang: “the sound from the backline is missing!”

And you’re COMPLAINING?!

In truth, now that we’ve moved to digital drums, and we have 100% IEM, the virtual soundcheck is pretty much perfect for us with the MADI system, and there is no more ‘live show’ tweaking after a virtual soundcheck than there would have been with a ‘proper’ soundcheck. Losing the drum mics has been a gift from God, although the drummer hates it.

Which is a good enough reason to do it anyway!

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[guyharrisParticipant]

This is a solution that we’re actively considering as well, as a replacement both for our PL10s (currently used) and our back-up Aviom-MMO system.

Advantages:

– set-up time
– ability to use iPad as lyric sheet
– cost
– scalability
– greater access to functionality than Aviom / PLAnet

Disadvantages:

– lack of MixPad suitability for purpose
– lack of tactile surface for musicians for rapid tweaking
– lack of security (musicians can f*ck with everything!)
– precarious WiFi environments at events
– €80 per unit for software if musicians ‘own’ iPad

I am currently using the iPad for this purpose, to evaluate. It’s not really user friendly for this purpose, and although you can set up custom screens, it’s nowhere near as easy to use as the PL or Aviom systems. Remember: musicians are probably already doing something that is technically complex, and will probably use the iPad with one hand. The touchscreen is very touch sensitive (funnily enough) and this adds a layer of complexity that is a distraction. For a musician to adjust a signal feed to their in-ear mix, they need to reference the screen, be sure they’re on the right layer / screen, and carefully click and drag a virtual fader, which will very rapidly boost / cut the signal with ‘x’dB, whereas an Aviom / PL solution is more robust, and it’s harder to f*ck up your own IEM mix (although they do so more with the Aviom more so that the PL 10, because of the ability to limit the range of the rotary fader.)

For me, although I’m not finished yet with testing, until the MixPad has a really easy, larger fader, customisable screen, the answer is no.

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[guyharrisParticipant]

Without the least schadenfreude, I’m expecting there to be a welter of disappointment here once the mythical Dante card actually gets slotted into consoles around the world.

Our MADI system cost us around €2k, but it works PERFECTLY, with as much data being passed both ways as I could come up with! It’s stable, powerful and it’s so quick that I actually had to INTRODUCE some latency into the system, to make the Ivory samples play more realistically.

Audinate have certainly generated a lot of publicity and a mountain of expectation. I sincerely hope for all my colleagues that they deliver.

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[guyharrisParticipant]

“what would be a perfect PC based recording system ?”

The PC bit is where you’d go wrong!

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