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Originally posted by tk2kquote:
Originally posted by guyharrisDon’t think this has been covered, and it’s very specific to our needs, but the hardware limitation on side chain filtering to the same ‘group of 8’ causes us a few problems. It would be nice to be able to use ANY signal to side chain ANY other.
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3D PianoShow!I believe that’s a hardware limitation, like how they could technically fit 8 AES ports on a card slot, but it can only handle 8 channels
iDR-48, T-112, Mixpad
CollegeYep: I knew that … It would just be nice to see that restriction removed!
Cheers!
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3D PianoShow!Well, it’s not particularly diplomatically put!
I understand what you mean: I wouldn’t be the first person to admit to changing an EQ or other some such adjustment, to think that I’ve heard the change, only to realise that the effect or whatever is bypassed …
I tend to use very little on GEQ for the room itself, because we mainly use digital instruments, and it’s rare that I need do more than adjust the SUB level, or perhaps the crossover frequencies.
Without a very complex analysis of what’s actually going on with the phase shifting, I guess I’ll just have to trust my MkI ears … With my MkI eyes as a help …
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3D PianoShow!quote:
Originally posted by vilddyrTotal lack of low frequencies?? Thats not what the low cut does. The low cut on the iLive is not very steep, certainly not more than 24dB/octave, maybe less, I find it too soft. Or you could just use the bell on the lowest EQ band.
Sounds a little like you’re mixing with your eyes.
Thanks so much.
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3D PianoShow!quote:
Originally posted by tendersoundCutting those two or three lowest freqs on the drum bus like I think you are saying only brings those freq down as much as twelve dB. Why not use a highpass filter on your drum channels and fix it at the source. I have highpassed my kick as high as 100hz sometime.
Hmm..it must be broke!
Again: you’re right, but I am guessing that the total lack of very low frequencies using a HPF is making a sound I found unattractive.
100Hz HPF for a kick drum?!?!?!?! What kind of music were you mixing?!
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3D PianoShow!quote:
Originally posted by Jens Droesslerquote:
Originally posted by guyharrisI didn’t expect that having control over the very low frequencies through the new EQ would make such a difference, but it has: not in boosting, but in cutting out the very lowest frequencies on the drum mix, which (I think) sends a more useful signal to the bass amps, by not trying to have the speakers move at 20Hz.
While I’m glad you like the new firmware like I do, I must say this particular thing raises some questions.
1. Why didn’t you just use the parametric EQs highpass on the drum group? Just set the lowest EQ band to locut/highpass, set it to the lowest frequency you want in that group and be done? this would have worked for a long long time. Cutting a wider range of adjacent frequencies (like 20, 25 and 31Hz) with a GEQ introduces by far heavier phase distortions than using the cut of the PEQs.
2. Why do your speakers move at all at 20Hz? Aren’t you using a highpass in the digital speaker management for your PA to protect it from mechanical stress? If not, you are wasting a lot of energy into frequency ranges that probably aren’t reproduceable by your PA.Yes, you’re absolutely right, Jens. I did previously use a HPF on the bass signals, but it didn’t seem to give as ‘accurate’ a bass signal as using the new control possibilities. I’m sure there’s a reason for that, but not being as techie as some others, I don’t know why, but I’m happy with the result!
The speakers indeed do not move at 20Hz!, and we’re actually talking about the same thing: the waste of energy of TRYING to get the speakers to produce impossibly low frequencies. I still have a long way to go in finding out how best to use the system to its fullest capacity: in my defence, it’s the first time in the 2.5 years since we got iLive that I’ve had real ‘down time’ in the workshop, with the full system, to experiment, test, measure, etc., without the stress of having to get stuff re-packed for the next gig. I’m first and foremost a musician and concerned with the playability of the system, so I tend to have a different take on the technical side than both ‘sound engineers’ and ‘musicians’: I argue equally with both!
What I like about the iLive system, and the improvements, as compared to the Yamaha stuff we used before, is that there seems to be an easier link between theory and practice: in other words, usability is better.http://www.pianodome.nl
3D PianoShow!Ah! You are a magnificent person, Wouter!
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3D PianoShow!I would respectfully suggest that the fault doesn’t lie with the A&H equipment, because the set-up worked as required ‘yesterday’. We occasionally have minor problems, but it’s almost always TCP/IP or wireless router-related, which isn’t A&H’s fault.
We are looking at much heavier ethernet cables, with proper shielding, even though we don’t generally do cable runs through the audience area, or to a FoH position. Normal CAT5 cables are very fragile (IMHO) and it’s very difficult to test on the job.
Good luck, and keep the faith!
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Originally posted by jgroomsNice update but I’m confused on the multiband compressors.
How are you all going to use these? I was expecting these to be on the channels as a compressor “type” (like the new EQ’s) not an effect . I don’t buss inputs to a compressor like a reverb? Am I missing something?
Hi!
You can use the multiband compressors as any other effect, as an insert on any given input channel. This uses up FX buses in your mixer configuration, so it doesn’t work the same way as the per-channel compressors / limiters, but it achieves the desired effect. How many multi-band compressors would you need?! We are using the new, fantastic multi-band compressors as a normal FX, as a ‘voice of god’ for the singers to talk to the audience between numbers, and it works GREAT!
All the best!
