[RobertParticipant]

128 channel you can record only with 2x madi RME HDSPe cards so your record budget = MMADI CARD 1250$ + 2x rme HDSPe card 2500$= 3750$

Which is better ?

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Were was many posts some time ago about Waves card,there was told that waves card uses IPv6 raw protocol and its faster than Dante, i am already starting from this summer working with “Waves multirack” native,
I think (i have never calculated exactly how much latency total) its about 8ms seems to me, so i dont use it direct inserts only groups .
But the main thing that it works perfectly and stable with DANTE MacBookPro does all the bit cruncher job, also plays some loops from ‘Ableton Live’.
DANTE seems to have much more available options for connecting various devises between them, it’s more like analog is universal connector for everything so DANTE is mostly the same, also it has options for developers to integrate DANTE int to professional equipment.
Wawes of course has some privileges in plugin usage more useful for sound engineers.
I really think that they should standardize formats and release only one Ethernet based format we already have ETHERSOUND , ROCKNET, DANTE, COBRANET, SOUNDGRID, what else?

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my setup is: Macpro i7, 240 gig SSD, HARTING connectors, eurocable cat6 4m & 15m,CISCO gigabit switch Ableton LIve 8, 64 channels 24bit 48khz. records aprox for 2h30min.
i want to purchase Macmini server for recording purpose because it’s more portable i think…

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quote:

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Originally posted by dburris

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Originally posted by Robert

I think that only thing that scene needs is preview , the tree structure is past century..and i sincerely hope that in the future there will be no difference between show or scene and it will be only one BIG SCENE that loads in a moment and has preview fumction!

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You’re welcome to your opinion. Perhaps I’m misreading why you seem to be interested in downplaying others’ suggestions. Since digital boards haven’t been around a century I’ll have to assume you’ve a flair for the dramatic.

In a perfect world I could configure scenes or shows in most any heirarchy I choose. However being well aware of software engineering and embedded programming, I opted for a solution I would find useful and less complicated to implement.

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thank you for reply, and i beg you a pardon for my overheated style.
you suggestion dragged my attention and in your reply i found the answer why. such suggestion can only make the person who have professional skills in soft technologies, and your solution have reminded me good old “windows commander” style program.
please don’t take it personal , in my opinion the future improvements have to be related with visualized objects that have no hierarchy at all, and of course configurable to your style of work.
all my remarks are based on experience of working with digital consoles at last 8 years and 2 of them I’ve spent with iLIVE,working up to 250 shows a year in different places including US,Canda,Germany most of them in Russia. i do not have the illusion that this is perfect system in the world, but it makes my work much more easy and i find here the new approach to whole process of the work that wasn’t found in same systems.

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Originally posted by ahlund

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Originally posted by ddff_lv

I’ve just came back from Midas PRO2 seminar and I think they made an interesting thing about DCA (or control groups as they call them). There is mode when you’re able to use DCA fader to send assigned channels into aux. For example you have selected someone’s monitor mix and he wants bit more drums, so instead of turning up channels one by one you can turn up DCA fader. I think this is useful one.

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Yes, thank You Midas! Seems to be exactly what I was suggesting 8 posts ago

Regards,
Åke Holmlund

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Dear ALHUND last time you were talking about this function your example was related to reverb, i realize that such function for reverb is unnecessary because you can send instruments and vocals to different reverbs and work with the returns. (for ex. in case of Delay efx only working with the returns gives you total control on it)
The example from midas seminar it is really useful for monitoring & +1 to make this function in iLive. anyway were are some other ways to override this function mentioned in other posts.

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I think A&H has best price politics, more options does not mean more money computer stuff gets cheaper every day with more options
so it will be natural to make it in same price or at least little bit more, every body knows that XL8-SD7 is over priced like new year pine tree, also seems to me that industry soon will go for small format and not heavy consoles with more 3d-party control options and editors.
anyway don’t you like the idea? –

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it is already pre eq & comp, if you want the same just copy.

YOU missed to much game over.

by iLIVE

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Better quality and dynamic range ADC & DAC
Faster and newer processors and more memory in whole system right now is too slow.
at least 8 network ports with gigabyte switch on board & with mached WIFi router installed inside, just to prevent sound engineers from getting IP technologies degree in future:)
+1 QUIET Fans.

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Originally posted by ahlund

I have actually never seen a iLive in real life but I have been reading documentation and reading this forum a lot in preparation… I still dare to have some suggestions

– It would be nice to be able to assign individual aux/fx sends from individual input channels to DCA:s.
– Ability to choose pre fader, post fader or post peq/geq for matrix sends from groups/master etc (I think this has been mentioned before).
– Metering data to PL-Anet. Nice to have in the PL-4, PL-6 and PL-10
– Aux/Fx sends from groups and maybe aux (need some “intelligence” to prevent loops).

I stop at that for now.

Regards,
Åke Holmlund

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Dear AHLUND! this the strangest request that i have seen.
the first suggestion for you is go & by iLIVE and you will be forgiven for your:)

– if you want to control by DCA send of individual channel to fx or aux just split that channel to another DSP channel cut it from master and assign strip to DCA …the question is for what??
– the matrix is configurable post or pre fader, pre eq(if you whant the same EQ you can use copy paste..(or maybe it is forbidden is Sweden)
-and of course my friend in iLIVE you can send group to aux and efx returns to aux or return it back to DSP mixer channel frough efx rack and again send it where you want and special for you the opportunity to loop exf is already here.

so you better stop and by iLIVE or go back to analog forum.

SHALOM!

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I think that only thing that scene needs is preview , the tree structure is past century..and i sincerely hope that in the future there will be no difference between show or scene and it will be only one BIG SCENE that loads in a moment and has preview fumction!

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Yes probably next hardware will be 24bit 96khz, processing depth 48bit & 64 bit floating point mixer depth, 128x64DSP MIXER, Burr Brown pre & ADC/DAC 125db dynamic range!!!, with 10gigabit router & 450mbps 5ghz wifi installed onboard + very fast clean control soft code with no buuugssss!
and one multi format card(MADI,DANTE,COBRANET ETHERSOUND,ACE…installed on board:)
everything in 6U or 8U or 10U 15kg rack!

WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT SUCH KILLER CONFIGURATION!

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@guyharris : i can assure you that drummers usually do not employ this useless muscle…

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https://www.senao.com/English/Default.aspx?TYPE=vipplayercard.htm&PT=product_t&tv_TCAT_POS=0&PID=02010021&CATNO0=B&CATNO1=B21&CNT=1

these are illegal in Russia but very powerful
distance is monstrous:)

1km – 30km i think your MIX will be too silent to control!

they have 150mbps one:
https://www.senao.com/English/Default.aspx?TYPE=vipplayercard.htm&PT=product_t&tv_TCAT_POS=0&PID=02010011&CATNO0=B&CATNO1=B21&CNT=1

Cheers

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DEAR Rob Clark !
I can tell you that for example in Russia one of most popular tablet is Samsung galaxy tab and you can by it in every cigarette kiosk and it costs cheap.
So it will be very good idea to make Android version!

“This mixer has more control options than anything else I can think of on the market”

i think this is the KEY FEATURE of ilive system – control!!!
you can look in other forums and you will see that onle A&H is going hand to hand with users!

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i see forum attacked by Russian spammers that is good progress somebody got interested in i live except sound engineers

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