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Worth a try at least.
I am reconfiguring everything now and quietly attempting to work out my best options.
With that brings it’s own issues lol.

Many thing I have to work out now is how best to configure the QU32 plus an MOTU 828mk3 plus 2 Behringer ADA8200 as an aggregate device. I am unsure as if to us the last 8 channels on the QU for subgroup outs from Ableton and use 31+32 for main outs. I would like to use the main outs on the MOTU828 mk3 so it doesn’t suck up faders on the QU 32 but then the master fader on the QU32 becomes useless and the main outputs would be on a knob on the motu828 mk3. SO many options and my head is fried lol.
That’s without all the Patchbay config. Kind wish I had someone at hand who could just route it all out via my patch bays n such for me, doing my nut in now.

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The reason I am looking at a new iMac is that I find it underpowered for some of the software I use currently. I want the ability to not worry about cpu/ram heavy vsts that I use on occasion and thus also reduce latency issues that arise when the cpu is taxed. My normal course of work is to record midi for the vast majority of synths and drum machines I use, I rarely print anything down until the song is structurally complete. With the introduction of more n more effects or processing there comes increased latency which just throws everything out. This is what I need to avoid as it really does mess with the process.
Hence wanting to get a much more powerful iMac. I would switch to PC but with the only way to aggregate interfaces being asio4all, it makes it unreliable (in my personal experience). Mac makes it much easier to aggregate the QU32, MOTU828 mk3, 2 ADA8200’s and some synth modules that I use audio via usb for. It’s far from a simple setup and there are always pitfalls and avoiding those is often hard enough without having to deal with poor usb implementation on what is, in my eyes, considered to be a high quality mixer.

I can’t afford to go buying an iMac to find it doesn’t work, nor can I afford to buy multiple pc’s to find out if those work.
The reality of the situation and the thing you seem to ignore is that THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. This is an oversight by A&H which has affected many many users as can be see in some of these threads, both here and on other pages.
The passing of the buck is almost embarrassing on A&H’s part and I feel they have fallen short of their responsibilities of providing a fully working product, it’s like buying a tv or car and finding that the tv will only accept certain usb devices or the car only runs on one brand of diesel. Not the greatest of analogies but I am guessing you will see my point, or not lol.
I feel A&H should have recalled the mixers to correct the issue in the board, not brought out more new mixers only to ignore the issue and rely on the users to either stay in the past with regards to their pc/Macs, or to chase ghosts and find things will work at our cost.

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Could he not send it out a different mix out? thus having two separate outputs. Obviously any changes to one would happen to the other, unless there is a way to process each mix output differently? Can’t remember off the top of my head as my studio is in bits at the moment whilst I do a full rewire.

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If it isn’t the mixer, then why is it that I have multiple other audio interfaces that work faultlessly on newer pc’s and mac’s with none of the issues that the QU32 exhibit on them. Some of these are much older than the QU32, others are from around the same time and some are newer. I’ve helped configure multiple pc’s and mac’s for friends using various interfaces over the past couple of years and had zero problems….not one of them have I suggested purchasing a AH mixer though, wouldn’t want to have the issue pop up for them.

Either way, either AH have to sort this themselves via firmware/hardware or they have to press on chipset makers to sort it out. This is crippling for many and unnacceptable for the price point.

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Yup, basically after paying a couple of thousand pound to buy a high quality mixer to integrate in to my studio, I ended up having to use an imac which I cannot upgrade, even though I need to, because A&H have done jack shit about the usb issue and basically washed their hands with their user base. Tbh it annoys me royally, it’s a fair whack of money for anyone, only for it not to be compatible with new equipment.
Give it another year or so and I will have no choice but to upgrade the imac and consequently have to buy a new mixer too as it isn’t going to work, I doubt I will bother with another from this company, it’s not worth the risk. They have dragged their tails and left many users without option.
Sad really as I have had a few of their desks and always purchased new….I won’t bother next time, even behringer doesn’t have these issues and that companies past with regards to mixers and QC has been dodgy to say the least.
I would expect any company worth its salt to have offered to correct this issue in any way possible, not relying on its users to buy legacy products just to get it to work how it should do.

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Hi Victor, cheers for the reply.

No I actually did mean the DT 1990 pro, although the DT990 pro I believe is 250ohm although I think there may be other options like the 80ohm/150ohm and so on.
If you could check which version of the 990’s you have, then that would be great.

I am assuming the output will have enough power being as this is meant as a live music mixing console, as you would be required to be able to hear over the front of house pa, so here is to hoping.

Cheers again.

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I reset the mix settings, seems to have worked for now, hopefully it’s not something that will crop up again >.<

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NZdave is pretty much spot on there with regards a couple of the scenarios.

As for myself, “what are you recording that requires 32+ inputs at once?”
I have multiple synths and drum machines, not to mention effects pedals and other instruments. Quite often I will record midi for the vast majority of items that I can and then audio for those that I cannot. The drum machines on their own take up 16 tracks, that’s without any rerouting to deal with outboard effects as there’s not actual in-line insert points on the desk.
I also use samplers (Akai S950/MPC2000xl) and I sometimes use external hardware sequencers and modular gear. There are also times when I have band members come up to jam/write/record. So for me, I very rarely (when it comes to anything midi or hardware triggered) print everything down track by track. Doing so often adds more latency when recording in to a computer and then attempting to monitor the recordings from the computer (which isn’t currently possible unless I reroute stuff due to no usb output to st1,2 or 3). So I like to rehearse/jam/record midi and then record at the very last stage, when it all is done and I am happy (any automation, sound manipulation and so on).
Having those Stereo channels available would enable me to monitor any click/sequence that is coming out from my DAW and wouldn’t suck up any of the 32 channels that are currently accessible.
It would also be nice to be able to use say Stereo 1 and 2 to send wet signals in to the DAW if I wanted to use outboard.

Now, with regards to your comments “Unfortunately due to the way the desk works it is not possible to add that kind of routing and just add extra channels.” The option is available on the 16 & 24 channel desks, so it’s obviously possible. You can, in the on board software route most things to many other places also. I don’t quite understand the real issue here, I suspect it involves a bit of work, possibly some adjustments in the desk software, which shouldn’t be a problem for engineers of the calibre that A&H have. There are multiple scenarios where opening up the access to those channels would benefit most users and if nothing else would help to make the board even more future proof.

I am sorry my description isn’t the greatest, but I find it really hard to explain my process on times as it varies greatly, all I can say is that the inability to use the Stereo ins/outs via the daw is an oversight that has impacted the way I work and I really don’t want have to rethink my setup and possibly shift mixers out for something else, as the board itself, is brilliant…..

I bet you good people could sort that, get your thinking caps on 😉

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Real pity that, Alex. Seems like it’s an opportunity wasted to get the maximum out of a great desk. Surely if everything was 1 to 1 then you should be able to use the Stereo ins/outs as well as having access to the mix/matrix and main outs on the board accessable via daw also. Seems like it’s slightly crippling the device. I’m sure you guys could work out a rehash of the firmware to sort this, whilst also working on some of the other feature requests that people have been hoping for in the other forum section 😉

I am surprised really that someone in R&D didn’t think this through as it’s obviously not because of a USB limitation as USB can run much more than 32Channels bidirectionally with no issue, I’ve done this previously with Motu and ada’s. I’ve thought about aggregate devices but hate the issues that can crop up with it, would really rather not have to jump through hoops to get things running in the way they should.

Cheers,

Chris.

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No worries mate, it’s confusing in itself and a mare to explain lol.

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Yup that is a pity NZdave. As said, I don’t know why the limitation tbh. It’s not as if the desk isn’t powerful enough to do this, it should be a 40in 40out at least.
32 mono channels, 3 stereo channels and a LR stereo pair.
This would enable you to utilize all the relevant ins/outs if using a DAW in the setup, allowing you to monitor the DAW output via sending the L&R main outs direct to the L&R main inputs on the mixer and not taking up two of the 32 channels (handy for metronome tracks/click tracks if needed).

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You can indeed route all 32 USB outs, but it’s not quite what I am getting at.
In the DAW, you only have access to 32outs, there is no option to send via the DAW out of the USB to ST1, ST2, ST3. It would be nice to have this option, so as not to take up channel 31 & 32 for the main DAW output. It’s rather confusing to explain.

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Hopefully they can do something about it TritonX. It seems a waste of a major feature of the QU mixers to not be able to record using the inbuilt usb interface for it’s intended job. Look forward to hearing more, hopefully positive news.

Was only thinking earlier, if it is true that newer systems have removed the option for disabling xhci, then that buggers up the plan of building a new system to, so the sooner they can sort the issue, the better. I really don’t want to send this board back to the shop I purchased it, it’s still boxed and unused as it stands but I’m not all that fussed by other options that are currently on the market and really don’t want to go back to using the MOTU and Ada’s for input/output.

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Just the thing I was hoping to avoid by buying this mixer >.< I already have an MOTU 828mk3 and a couple of Behringer ADA8200’s but was hoping to move away from those. I really hope A&H get on to fixing this issue via firmware update or something….but then I know how some companies can be.

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Hey all, what is the current status with this?

I have just recently bought a QU32 and in the process of rearranging things in my studio to fit the new desk in. I was hoping, actually part of the main reason of buying the QU32, to record directly into my DAW, but reading this I am getting a little concerned on if I made the right choice. I was looking to pick up an Imac in the next few weeks to run as a DAW using Sonar/Ableton for multitrack recording, has the electrical noise issue been sorted? I know there is a fix with disabling the AHCI on PC, but that isn’t possible on the iMAC.
If it hasn’t been sorted then I suppose I will have to have a look at getting another PC built instead….not ideal, was hoping to make the switch for it’s better audio/midi handling, but if needs be n all that.

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