[JayParticipant]

Why? It depends on how far they take it.

Look at it as labels on sources, not just preamps.

– Preamps would have manual labels
– Dante can pick up from the Dante network (See Yamaha)
– Let tie lines flow through the source name
– ME-* pulls source name, this would give it names when not a direct out from a channel
– Allow labeling of slot mappings (Waves, MADI) and storage of labels by slot into a library

Then let input labels (or channel/mix) flow through to outputs. They do on ME-*, let it flow to tie lines & Dante.

Jay

[JayParticipant]

Leon,

On the supported audio paths (if you are using a slot GigaAce connection to secondary surfaces), with only 128ch vs 300+ available, please confirm the following:
– Headphones (as the designated PAFL)
– Local I/O
– DX (1 or 2, depending on class)
– USB playback/record

Thanks,

Jay

[JayParticipant]

Thomas,

Completely understand what you are wanting, but from an insert perspective (input or mix), all inserts are treated as “outboard” gear regardless of what it is, thus the gang options don’t have any effect on it. This is also why a “channel copy” doesn’t copy the Dyn8 settings (unless that was changed recently).

If it happens to be a stereo bus, you get a stereo Dyn8, which is implicitly linked internally. What I think you are looking for is the ability to link Dyn8’s independent of assignment. I would take it one step further to be able to link N Dyn8’s (mono or stereo) to all behave the same for those that run in a surround or non-stereo environment.

Jay

[JayParticipant]

Get the 1.70 Firmware Reference – Block diagram on pg 125. You have Mixes – Aux (st/m), Group (st/m) and Matrix (st/m) which, as of 1.70, can pretty much be fed from any input/bus or feed any input/bus – so some of the traditional restrictions are now gone if you want them to be. Read carefully on sample alignment because once you feed certain mix->mix or mix->input combinations you lose the alignment.

Groups are not routed anywhere by default.

Channel -> LR and Channel -> Group -> LR are fully sample aligned, so you don’t _have_ to unassign them if you have a valid case for having them dual assigned.

[JayParticipant]

You are mostly right-

Inputs will be tie line from analog/digital inputs to slot X on the DM64 and patch to input channels as a slot Y source on the DM0.

Mixes will be tie line from mix out to slot Y on the DM0 and tie line from slot X to output (analog or digital) on DM64.

Jay

[JayParticipant]

If you want to try it with no audio on the C1500/Monitor desk (no headphone, I/O, card) then you can simply plug the network port on the S1500 (not GigaAce) into the network port on the DM. All surface controls and meters will work, just no audio.

Jay

[JayParticipant]

@nicola A&H I’m fully aware that I can switch all delays to samples, but frankly, that is quite annoying when typically only a few channels you are adjusting need sample-level accuracy, whereas most channels I am adjusting in ms. Also, at least on Director, the minimum step is 122 samples.

You sister company allows me to run my delays in ms/feet/meters (delay) and then adjust by samples (fine delay) at the same time. (hint hint)

Jay

[JayParticipant]

Read the Knowledge Base article on phase coherent mixes carefully. It was updated recently for the 1.70 release.

From input through the mix bus outputs (aux, group, main, matrix) you have phase coherence. As soon as you bring one of the mixes (1) back into an input or (2) back into a mix of the same type, you lose the coherence for that input/mix return.

I find it interesting that they give you the number of samples you are offset for Dyn8 (4) and other inserts (27), but I’m not aware of anywhere you can adjust by that few samples. (It would be nice to have a fine delay adjust (samples) in addition to the normal feet/m/ms adjust like another console does)

Jay

[JayParticipant]

I’ll give you 2 relatively easy ways to do to.

1) Setup a stereo group.

Remember, Main LR is just a fancy name for a stereo group (LCR and 5.1 add a lot more).
Assign the channels you want to this group, in addition to LR, and they will all track the same post-fade. Don’t forget to assign fx (or different FX depending on the room).

2) Get on FW 1.70+

On the newer FW you can route mixes back in, including mains, all staying in the 96k digital domain.

Do you mix down to LR, as normal. Assign LR to a stereo matrix, do all the output EQ/delay/etc. on the matrix.
Now, assign LR back in to a stereo channel and assign it to a stereo group. This is your streaming feed.
Add whatever other channels you want to your streaming feed, don’t forget to delay room mics as necessary.

Be careful to not feed any channels from the main LR mix back into the stream mix. While I can’t confirm it, because of the loop-back to input, I would suspect the streaming feed is no longer sample aligned with the initial feed. A channel feeding both may cause an interesting combing effect.

Jay

[JayParticipant]

I use both Waves and Dante on almost every show.

Dante has laptops for Smaart & show control/timecode (DVS), video playback (samples, click, timecode), an I/O device and an S5000 along with redundant switches. Sometimes I pick up house Dante for output. I plug it in and it all just works with all I/O ports labeled. The most I touch here is any house routing.

Waves is used just for recording. Single point-to-point cable. Reboot the laptop (driver won’t connect if it didn’t go to sleep right), start Soundgrid Studio, pick the right interface, load the configuration then load Tracks Live and test to make sure I have audio.

Dante just works for a given configuration once built. Waves requires you know what you are doing every time and how to troubleshoot.

The only thing that will mandate Waves is if you need to record more than 64 channels.

Jay

[JayParticipant]

Having a drummer on an ME1, I can completely see the use of solo, but it shouldn’t be a PAFL bus and handled in software as best possible.

During shows, he may use it to hear just what he needs for a cue, but not a normal use case.

During rehearsals learning new material, he uses it quite a bit to check level/balance between a lot of different inputs – 2 electric guitars, 2 acoustic, sync, vocals, bass, bass synth, click, sample track and stems. Much faster than trying to guess where something is coming from, especially if it is from samples or stems where he can’t actually see a person.

Jay

[JayParticipant]

Wolfgang,

Hard to say. I’ve used it regularly without any issues.

I’ve always done the drag-and-drop quick setup the customize a few pieces and haven’t seen any issues on any FW version through 1.64.

What version and what, specifically, are you setting up that you aren’t seeing?

Jay

[JayParticipant]

Cuci,

There is a running discussion of this here:

Alternte DX168 – compact rack mount

It was active just a couple days ago.

Jay

[JayParticipant]

What you’re requesting is solo-in-place for a given mix, not necessarily PFL. The ME1 has it and I know my drummer uses it when he is checking his mix.

Today, there are no SIP capabilities in dLive. However, for OneMix, simply issuing necessary mute commands for everything else on the mix bus shouldn’t be that hard if they wanted to implement it, the only risk being if solo was left engaged and the device disconnected.

Jay

[JayParticipant]

Mr X,

Audio wise, there is no difference in the slots. They are all 128×128 and fully patchable in the system. Redundancy risk in C without dual links/power.

If you are running GigaAce on the surface (is that allowed?), then you are sharing the network bandwidth of both consoles through the primary GigaAce.

I’ve also taken the stance that if the surface were to die, I could continue the show on a laptop/ipad, but any audio through the surface is lost.

Jay

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