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The church I do sound for has exactly what GCumbee linked to. I have the board switchable, but that is it. I make sure any volunteers who use the board know how to properly turn off the board (using many friendly reminders). You will hear a small click inside the board which I assume isolates the outputs so there is no loud pop if the system gets shut off in the incorrect order somehow. I have nothing switching the AR2412 and AR84. When I see them while the system is off, there are no lights aside from the power LED on the back. Don’t quote me on this, but I also feel like the fans shut off. I haven’t been next to the racks while the system is off in a while. We have never had an issue with phantom power pops with this setup. While I will agree with MikeShand that it is not absolutely essential to use the power down button, I would highly recommend it. That is just like shutting down a computer, and you wouldn’t just unplug a computer while it is on.

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Sorry to ruin your joy eotsskleet, but I am probably the youngest at age 20. I started sound and lights as a freshman in high school. Since then, I have jumped on any chance to do any sort of sound or lighting. I started recorded high school bands on a cheap Behringer. After high school, I started working at a local sound company. I now continue working there doing sound and lights along with doing sound at a high school. The first Allen and Heath I saw was the GL 3300 at that high school. It’s still rock solid. I then returned to the high school that I graduated from and found that they upgraded the old Behringer to an iLive. Thats when I started focusing on Allen and Heath. Ive mixed on Soundcraft Si series, Yamaha LS9, M7, CL5, a Midas Pro 2, an Avid Venue SC48, Behringer x32, other random analog boards, and of course the Qu, GLD and iLive. So far, I absolutely love the Allen and Heath mixers. They are probably my favorite boards that I have used due to their simplicity and features. That is why I chose the GLD for the church I am currently doing sound for. I have recommended Allen and Heath mixers to churches and schools because they are excellent “beginner” digital boards that have so much power behind them. They can easily be taught to the students or some volunteers at schools or churches.

I’m really glad that Bob started this thread. It is really awesome to “meet” a lot of the people on these forums.

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Sorry to bump this thread, but I said that I would post back with my findings.

I have been using a new flash drive for a few months and I haven’t had any issues with recording. I was even able to record an entire hour and fifteen minutes without a problem. So if anyone has errors with recording, it is just easier to buy a better flash drive.

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Wing2015: This should help you:
https://community.allen-heath.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Qu-and-GLD-supported-dsnake-systems.pdf

John: You are correct, the Qu-You app is only for the Qu series. But there is an GLD One mix app that is available for $4.99, and an iLive One mix app that is available for purchase as well. iPads are cheap used as well.

If Allen and Heath was to redesign the ME-1 for 16 channels only, all they would do is limit it to 16 sources. The price wouldn’t be able to come down much as it would be the same hardware, just limited to 16 channels through software. There is no need for them to put the R&D into something that they already have.

With the Behringer 32ch. mixer and Powerplay system, you are limited to 16 channels. What happens if you have an event/show/whatever that wants more. That is why the ME-1 is there. It is fully capable with the entire Qu and GLD systems (meaning it works with every single channel. 40 of the 48 on the GLD, but close enough). You are paying for not only the quality of Allen and Heath, but the functionality of it.

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I highly doubt that they are working on something like this. They already have a personal monitor mixer. Its called the Allen and Heath ME-1 and it is capable of 40 channels compared to the 16 channels that the Behringer can do. It is also probably much better quality as Allen and Heath is known for their quality products and Behringer is widely known for awful products. You get what you pay for. This is why I have no problem paying for the ME-1 mixer. If you want the Behringer Powerplay P16-M, you should have bought a Behringer mixer.

There are different ways of doing IEM’s cheaply. You could get a headphone amp (Behringer makes a 4 channel rack mount version) and use the Qu-You app to control the mix. That would set you back as much as the iPod touch (buy used to save money) and the cost of the headphone amp. Much cheaper than even the Behringer personal mixer.

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Thank you for the reply Nicola.

I dont see much of a difference between the Trentnet TPE-T160 and the TPE-T160H other than the non “H” version is capable of a total of 480 watts and the “H” version is only capable of 250 watts. Even at 15 watts per channel, this still does not push the power budget. The non “H” version is also a round $75 more.

So if the TPE-T160 seems to work very well, then the TPE-T160H should work just as well. I had our dealer order one ME-1 mixer for now to see how the band likes it. If they do, then many more will be purchased along with the TPE-T160H. I will post back with the results of the switch.

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The church I do sound for is about to do the exact same thing. After watching videos, they say that any standard POE switch will do fine. The ME-U seems like it is more designed to get the ME-1 units to work with other networks such as Dante, plus it has Ethercon connections which seem more professional.

I was looking at this switch to save money. It costs around $300 depending on where you get it.

https://www.trendnet.com/products/proddetail.asp?prod=210_TPE-T160H

It gives me 16 ports to work with, 30 watts per port, and a total budget of 250 watts. The specs that I have seen of the ME-1 mixers say that they use 13 watts each. Say they were 15 watts, 15 watts * 8 units = 120 total wattage. So there is plenty of power to go around. Plus it is rack mountable. That is always a plus.

Unless I am completely wrong and none of this is going to work. Which if that is true, someone should let us know before we break expensive stuff.

Mervaka is correct though. If budget is a real issue (as I have seen at some churches), then using the individual power supplies and daisy chaining the units together with cat5e is the best way to go. You wont need any extra hardware. Though if an extra $300 is in the budget and that switch will work, then it is a great way to clean up the stage so you dont have a lot of power adapters running all over the place.

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You’re joking… That hurt. Just a bit.

I just hope they aren’t doing that because they no longer want to give it firmware attention. It did come out a bit more than 2 years ago (correct me if I’m wrong), so it seems a bit too soon to call it quits.

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This is exactly how I have the church I do sound for set up. I have a password to the admin user (as well as anyone who needs to turn on the board in the case that I am not there for a rehearsal) and the basic user has no password.

If admin is the last person to log on and the board is turned back on, a login screen will appear. From there, all you will have to do is touch the basic user and it will log in (if you set a scene to recall upon login, you will have to touch yes to the prompt).

If the basic user is the last person to log in, as long as there is no password on that user, then it will automatically be logged in when the console is started up.

The way I have it set up is the admin user recalls scene 1. This is the main scene that we use. Before shutting down the system, I always store the scene to keep any changes in case the basic user logs in. If you do not save the scene, you will lose changes. The basic user then recalls scene 10 (dont know why I picked 10) upon login. This scene only has the mains (LR) and the inputs that I feel like they will need such as the computer sound, and wireless mics that can be used for small events or services. The user is restricted to only fader and mute. Everything else is locked away, and I have yet to have any issues with this setup. Most basic users cant understand how to turn on the wireless mics, much less understand gain, EQ, compressor, and the countless other features that this board has.

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I highly doubt that Allen and Heath would completely give up on their pro series console. It is a widely used console. Heck, I’ve read articles that said that it was used in a stadium at the World Cup. Numerous bands use it such as Neon Trees. It doesn’t seem like a console that can be killed off easily.

I think what ddff said is the most likely true. They will probably release new hardware next year. Whether this hardware is iLive stuff or a rackmounted GLD (which seems quite likely), we wont know until they show it off at NAMM or PLS.

My personal guess is that they are working on completely redoing the iLive OS to make it more like the GLD. I once read somewhere (which was probably somewhere on this forum) that the OS for each console is completely different. With the QU, that is going to have to be true because of the way it is designed. But the GLD and iLive should be more similar. That way, they can release software updates for both consoles. If they bring the programming close enough together, it will lessen their workload.

It all depends on if they decide to keep going with the current hardware that is 8 to 9 years old for the modular series, and 5 years old for the T series, or come out with new hardware. Whether they keep supporting the new hardware will be completely up to them, but I bet they will.

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I thought my answer was a real answer… But steffen is right. The only true way to be 100% sure of this is to talk to the software department.

But from my research, the Shellshock bug needs an attacker, not just a USB stick.

I would still very highly recommend putting the iLive on its own separate network. You wouldn’t want more traffic on the iLive network than you need. If the traffic on the network becomes too much, it may start slowing down the iLive traffic. It all depends on what the router sees as more important.

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That post does make me feel better about the iLive, but not completely. You would think that as a flagship console, there would be more updates. Unless they are working on a software update v2.0 and it is just going to completely blow us away.

Basically because of the past update history for the iLive, I am still with a “wait and see” attitude.

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After some research, it seems like the iLive will not be vulnerable to the Shellshock bug.

Regardless, it is mostly a “best practices” thing to not have your sound network connected to the internet. There is no reason for it. You should have separate wires and wireless router for your iLive network.

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I bet a lot of people would like to know about this. I have two different venues waiting to upgrade to a digital board. I would recommend the GLD, but they both need 64 channels. I keep telling them that we need to wait and see what Allen and Heath is going to do. If they release a software update for the iLive, I will know that they are still working on it. If they are working on an “iLive 2” then we are going to wait to spend thousands of dollars to get the latest technology that will be supported. If we could get some sort of statement from anyone at Allen and Heath with what what road they are going to take, that would be perfect.

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I have always been told that defragmenting flash memory was a bad idea as it only shortens the life of the memory and doesnt help. After reading eotsskleet’s post, I did some research. It turns out that defragmenting flash memory really does help the write speed, which is what matters in this case.

I didnt immediately think that it was an issue with the console, but I decided to post and see if anyone else has come across this error. Worst case, we find out new information for anyone who comes across this error in the future.

I will go out and buy a new USB. Probably a USB 3.0 drive just to have support for the faster speeds. I will post back with my findings.

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