[MbirameParticipant]

As I mentioned-resetting the QU-pac mixer and then the audio streams correctly. It’s not a DAW issue. Very strange and I’m not sure what to do at this point if it works on your QU-32. Any chance you have a QU-PAC there?

Did the scene load the stereo tracks (17-18, 19-20, 21-22) into the ST1, ST2, and ST3 of the QU-32? Do they show up in processing page as “USB” even though they can’t actually receive USB?

[MbirameParticipant]

Maybe new green knobs coming? :-p

[MbirameParticipant]

Where do you see a price drop? I literally got my new QU-PAC three days ago…. :-/

[MbirameParticipant]

PM’ed

[MbirameParticipant]

So the problem seems to be because the scenes I imported are from a QU-16. when I reset the mixer settings I can stream out of higher channels but when I load a scene that was originally created on the QU-16 I can’t stream above 22. Migrating to the larger system is becoming a bummer!

[MbirameParticipant]

Well that is exactly my problem. The QU-16 scenes that I imported were using channel 17-18, 19-20, and 21-22 to receive USB audio. When opening the scenes in the QU-PAC, those channels have now been shifted to ST1, ST2, and ST3-including all the routing that I need. When I go to the processing button for the ST channels they say “USB” but indeed they are X’ed out in the routing page.

So by trying to “help” my by moving those tracks to ST1, ST2, and ST3 it has screwed me. :-/

[MbirameParticipant]

Well-there is an issue because they did transfer to the “ST1, ST2, and ST3” channels, but they are USB B streaming inputs and for some reason those are not showing up on those stereo channels on the QU-PAC. I made a post about it in the troubleshooting section and I’m going to call A&H tomorrow if I can’t figure it out here.

[MbirameParticipant]

To be clear: What I need to be able to do is route USB B streaming audio that is coming IN to the QU-16 so that channel 17-18 -> ST1, Channel 19-20 -> ST2, and channel 21-22->ST3. Any help would be appreciated!

[MbirameParticipant]

Update: Ah so I just realized that the show transfer was smart enough to NOT put my QU-16 Stereo channels (17-18, 19-20, 21-22) onto those channels on the QU-PAC. It in fact just copied them over to the ST1, 2, 3 channels. Yea! That only leaves me with a few other channels that I need to manually copy the routing.

[MbirameParticipant]

Just want to throw my +1 at an offline editor. I just upgraded from a QU-16 to a QU-PAC and ar2412. I need to do significant routing changes to many, many scenes by doing this switch and I’m crying at not being able to just easily do these changes on an editor.

[MbirameParticipant]

on another note-an offline scene editor would be fantastic!

[MbirameParticipant]

Yeah-I know how to copy mixes…but that won’t work for this.

For example on the QU-16 I have 17-18 going to Mix 1, 2, 3, 7-8, and L-R.
Now I will need “St1” on the QU-PAC to go to those places instead.

So copying mix won’t work for that.

If I do have to redo the mixes one at a time I can tell you I will be missing the hardware faders of the QU-16 for that job!

[MbirameParticipant]

Yes, we do change quite a lot between scenes. Routing, levels, inputs and outputs, etc.

When copying a channel to a new channel is there a way of copying the routing? I just did a test and routing didn’t copy over when doing a simple “copy/paste” but maybe there is another way.

You can also import your scenes from the Qu16, recall a scene, make the changes and save the scene. Then that scene is ready to use on your Qu-Pac.

Yeah, that’s what I’m wanting to do. I want to import the scene and then change where the tracks live on the board-but I need to figure out how to also move the routings.

[MbirameParticipant]

Well considering the QU-SB didn’t exist when I bought the QU-16 there is that. 😉

Don’t get me wrong-I LOVE the QU-16. It has served us really beautifully for the last year and a half or so. We require everything to be racked, so a QU-32 doesn’t work for us. I know we are not the normal use case for the QU series, but we use it for controlling all our in-ear mixes (pre-programmed in) and we run some tracks from our DAW live and everything is sent out in various mixes to the FOH. We only occasionally run our own FOH and in those cases we have a scene set up that reroutes everything to a LR output. Individual songs are set to scenes and those are sent over USB sending program changes. That was my original thought of networking two heads together-to send MIDI over Network to have both units change scenes together. I realize that you cant network one unit to the other, but I thought I could have both receiving the same networked info from a hub.

As our show has progressed, we have decided to mic our own instruments (we play several-up to seven-giant marimbas mixed with percussion, vocals, and synths, etc). We created mic array systems that mount under the marimbas and those are currently going into a QU-PAC and sending submixes into our QU-16 (for in-ears) and submixes out to the FOH. It is amazing how this has cleaned up the show since we were able to dial in the gates and low cuts for each specific instrument and now instead of the soundguy having to set up 29 mics and boom stands we just hand him 11 XLR cables with one instrument per cable. It has been glorious, and with this change our i/o needs exploded.

At the end of the day, I’m pretty certain that I’m just going to go for the QU-PAC (I might talk myself in to the QU-SB) and ar2412 because on one song we play a different set of instruments and so being able to have those all plugged in to the extra 8 inputs of the expanders and just do a scene switch to make those active is going to be awesome.

[MbirameParticipant]

Well in any case, the “economic reality” is that they offer a product with more power, more io, and…just more…for a lot less.

I don’t need two 32 channel units (though I wouldn’t question why someone would-there are myriad uses out there in the world). I need one 32 channel unit, but it is cheaper to get two QU-sbs than to get one qu-sb and expander. What I mean by whether I can make my monitor needs work with two qu-sbs is whether I can do what I need to do by having two separate mixers with 12 out each (two QU-SBs) vs a single QU-pac (or SB) and expander.

One advantage that I can see with the expander is that gives me 8 additional inputs that I can have ready to go with a scene switch.

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