[MbirameParticipant]

OK. You’re on your own.

Well thankfully there are more people in the world than you. 😉

[MbirameParticipant]

You can run Qu-You on an iPad, along side QU-Pad, which may be the best way, if you like that way of working.

That’s what I was thinking might be the easiest way. I could run a mix on the ipad, and use a couple of iphones here for a few more groups then switch the mix out, rinse, and repeat. it’s funny that they have such a useful feature on the free qu-you app but not (from what I can tell) on the qu-pac itself.

[MbirameParticipant]

Thanks for not trying to be rude….dick.

[MbirameParticipant]

I don’t see how a DCA can work in this way. From what I can tell a DCA can not be controlled individually for each mix out can it? I don’t have the board here with me but I’m not getting it to work in demo mode that way on qu-pad.

[MbirameParticipant]

How?

[MbirameParticipant]

Well, the scene is compatible, you just can’t route USB audio to the ST channels in the same way.

I do not consider it compatible if I can route USB to the ST outputs on the QU-16 and then that routing is broken when opening the scene on a QU-PAC. That is the opposite of compatible in my opinion. Again-I disagree that there is some fundamental 1:1 routing on the desk that must be preserved. They have already decided not to follow that with the dSnake, so it is not a sacred cow to them.

My suggestion would be to maintain the current USB routing, but on the 32 channel brain if you choose USB routing for the ST inputs it would pick up USB channels 27/28, 29/30, 31/32 respectively.

On a QU-32 you can not choose USB routing. That’s the point. On a QU-16 you can, and then when you import that scene into a QU-32 those ST tracks don’t work.

What I’m saying is that instead of just having a scene that doesn’t work, you should have the option to have those ST tracks copied over to 27/28 29/30 and 31/32 with routing intact. Then you can maintain a functionally usable scene when doing a transfer and it would also maintain your precious 1:1 routing. 😉 Maybe we are both saying the same thing as a solution-but in any case, I think a solution is necessary. Even the guy that I talked to yesterday from A&H when I demonstrated the issue just said “oh wow, man. Yeah-sorry about that.”.

[MbirameParticipant]

Not to beat up on Cubasis too much, but what did you find frustrating about it?

To be honest I haven’t tried it in at least a year. I consider myself fairly proficient with Cubase Pro and the limitations and workflow on an ipad were killers for me. I’m sure you have way more experience that I do with it. We use Ableton for live gigs anyway, so I always have my laptop at gigs. I use Cubase in the studio.

Funny you mention the Radials. We also use piezos and for over 20 years I have sworn by only using tube guitar amps with my piezo because that was the only way to get good tone. Just a couple weeks ago I picked up the Radial PZ Deluxe and it blew my mind at how good it sounds right into the QU mixer. I just ordered 7 more for the rest of the band.

Too bad that I have to choose between recording our band’s audio on the Qu-Pac versus recording audio + MIDI with a complicated and potentially unreliable DAW.

The way I would do it: The QU mixer is completely seperate from the DAW. You would still multitrack record all audio on the USB drive. You could just also have a midi out of the keyboard going into a DAW and recording that midi feed. In fact-maybe there is a way to just directly record MIDI from the keyboard into your ipad and then sync it all up later? I don’t know how tight your clock would be though. For us, the click is also coming off of the DAW so we can live record all the tracks coming out of our DAW (including MIDI) and then also multitrack the live audio off the board and then combine them post.

[MbirameParticipant]

My thought is that most of the bands that want to both record midi and audio with the QU series stuff are also using a computer and record the MIDI there. I saw in your thread that you are wanting to exclusively an ipad solution. Having been frustrated with editing capabilities of Cubasis myself, I would personally try and find a cheaper laptop and run something like what you mentioned-Cubase Artist. You could probably find a reliable solution for less than the cost of a new ipad. Good luck!

[MbirameParticipant]

I don’t know what the ‘analogue local routing’ principle is. The expanders are able to be routed from any input to any input on the boards. What I’m saying is that USB could as well.

Your solution does not fix the problem where a QU-16 user can currently create a scene using USB on the stereo tracks and that scene is not compatible on a QU-Pac or QU-32.

If the USB can not be made to be usable on ST1, 2, and 3 of a QU-pac or QU-32, then there should be an option on import for scenes where those tracks can be automatically moved (with routing intact).

[MbirameParticipant]

As a work around, you could convert the signal in something like midipipe on a mac.

[MbirameParticipant]

Sorry about all the threads-there have been a few different issues-all sort of related.

[MbirameParticipant]

That would work for routing, but I’m pretty sure I will still need to manually adjust mix level sends for each scene (mixes are different for each scene).

[MbirameParticipant]

after loading the scene channels 7,8,15,16 and ST1-3 are assigned to USB, but ST1-3 show “X”. All other channels sourced from local input.

Exactly. So this creates an incompatible scene…one that works on a QU-16 but will not work on a QU-PAC without modification.

[MbirameParticipant]

I’ll be the one guy that will be pissed because I just got a qu-pac and ar2412 to replace my qu-16 because I need expandability. Well pissed isn’t the right word because hte qu-16 has been great-but I’ll be scrambling to return the qu-pac and dump the old qu-16! 🙂

[MbirameParticipant]

well….sure enough I just tested it again this morning and I am getting the streaming to work correctly! Gotta love that. The only issue I need to deal with now is just copying over all those stereo tracks and their routing to different channels.

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