[letmefixParticipant]

I did some research today and found out that there is a concept to use pcie cards via thunderbolt connection.
So it seems it is possible to add 1 or 2 or maybe 3 Expansion Card Slot(s) to any computer with a Thunderbolt Port.

This opens up another can of worms. Rednet to your MacBookPro, MacMini? Sounds wonderful.

I asked Sweetwater if they have any information about it. The sales person told me that he will ask this question as soon as he sees focusrite people.
(update: sweetwater talked to focusrite and they confirmed it works with expension chassis, waiting on Apple to approve the drivers.)

I found 3 solutions so far. I emailed Sonnet about it.
[:0](update received:”No plans at this time to test any Focusrite products.”)
[?](another update from the same company: “Hello Burak, I would like to add that we would be happy to support Focusrite to be compatible with our chassis. We have written their support department a message to let them know. “

Sonnet has a pretty big card compatibility list on their website:

Sonnet: https://www.sonnettech.com/product/echoexpressse.html
mLogic: https://www.mlogic.com/products/mlink
Helios: https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/Thunderbolt/PCIe_Chassis/Mercury_Helios

Should we get excited?

When I check the latency, I see 13ms with DVS in my setup. Like many people stated, it is good only for verbs and delays… Not good for channelstrip operations.
Here is my setup:

IDR32 w/ dante card
MBpro(i7) with MultiRack native & DVS
All gigabit network.

DVS latency set to 4ms, MultiRack buffer is 64(smaller value causes spikes).
DVS network latency 0.25ms

When I do the math: 0.25+4+1.3+4+0.25=9.8ms
But if I record the direct source and Multirack’ed version(w/o any plugin), I see 13ms difference.
I remember people in this forum achiving less than 13ms. How did you accomplish?

I like to hear your thoughts about this thunderbolt expension solution. I wish focusrite produced a direct thunderbolt to ethernet rednet/dante adapter.

IDR32
Motion Computing LE1700
MBP/Logic Pro9
idontPad1&3&mini
M-Dante

[letmefixParticipant]

If you still have empty channels left, just doublicate instruments that need to be eq’ed differently. Naming will be important in order to keep things together.
KICK – for mains
DR.KICK- kick channel for drummer
BA.KICK- kick channel for bassist
VX.GTR- guitar for the vocalist, etc…

IDR32
Motion Computing LE1700
MBP/Logic Pro9
idontPad1&3
M-Dante
M-Waves.

[letmefixParticipant]

You are asking for Dante function. SGD cannot do this as far as I know.

If you have digital splits (1st 32 channel for F.o.H, 2nd 32 channel for monitors, than you may(be) use SGD multirack as inserts on the 1st 32 channel, and u can assign direct outputs so that 33-64 are sending the copy of 1-32 so you can record multitrack on the same laptop.

IDR32
Motion Computing LE1700
MBP/Logic Pro9
idontPad1&3
M-Dante
M-Waves.

[letmefixParticipant]

We all want to do that. But one has to convince A&H to do it.

IDR32
Motion Computing LE1700
MBP/Logic Pro9
idontPad1&3
M-Dante
M-Waves.

[letmefixParticipant]

There must be at least one physical Dante device in the network, otherwise you will get that error.

IDR32
Motion Computing LE1700
idontPad1&3
M-Dante
M-Waves.

p.s. I have an extra M-MADI card for sale. PM me if you are interested.

[letmefixParticipant]

When you run the setup file make sure you right click and select “run as administrator”.

IDR32
Motion Computing LE1700
idontPad1&3
M-Dante
M-Waves.

p.s. I have an extra M-MADI card for sale. PM me if you are interested.

[letmefixParticipant]

Hi arsound;

Where do you keep your wi-fi router?
I confirmed long time ago that there was a sort of interference when my-fi router was on top of the IDR32 rackmount case. I simply put it at least 3 feet away and I’m getting near 100% healthy connectivity. 5 reboots per hour is a lot. I average maybe 1 or 2 reboot per show that lasts 3-4 hrs.

IDR32
Motion Computing LE1700
idontPad1&3
M-Dante
M-Waves.

p.s. I have an extra M-MADI card for sale. PM me if you are interested.

[letmefixParticipant]

Sharing a wi-fi network with an unknown number of people is not an option if you are depending on wi-fi during your shows.

Tell them to get over or install a wi-fi router somewhere in the rack and do not broadcast SSID. If they ask tell them you are on a special bluetooth network or something. Prefer 5Ghz, disable 2.4Ghz if you can. Activate MAC filtering and use encryption. Try to scan to see if anything else is occupying the 5Ghz channel you will be using.

Remember that iLive editor is free and anyone can install in his/her computer therefore you must secure each profile with a password. Being on the same campus network is unacceptable. Once people see what you are doing, they will come and ask and they they will get some ideas. Some of those nerds will be ready to goof around and you cannot afford to tolerate their jokes during real shows.

IDR32
Motion Computing LE1700
idontPad1&3
M-Dante
M-Waves.

p.s. I have an extra M-MADI card for sale. PM me if you are interested.

[letmefixParticipant]

With my previous wi-fi router I had several random jumps. Once it maxed out the gated rvb on the kick channel and it sounded like an effect from Lords of the Ring with each kick punch until I figured it out.

Another time it put vocal group fader to minus infinity at the very beginning of the show.

I have never had this kind of random mess since I changed my wi-fi router to a dual band and I’m always staying on 5Ghz.
I don’t have a surface. ipad3 & idr32 with Motioncomputing LE1700.

Did you have any wi-fi connections at the moment of this random act?

IDR32
Motion Computing LE1700
idontPad1&3
M-Waves.

[letmefixParticipant]

Did you try to change the cable and/or reboot the laptop?
If yes, did it continue with the same problem?

IDR32
Motion Computing LE1700
idontPad1&2
M-Dante.

[letmefixParticipant]

Soundgrid server requires TDM version plugins. So, if you only have native waves plugin licenses, more Benjamins need to go out of the window. I’m surprised waves didn’t do anything to avoid native multirack.

IDR32
Motion Computing LE1700
idontPad1&2
M-Dante.

[letmefixParticipant]

Mac, it means you deal with core audio drivers.
Therefore you can do both recording and multirack native at the same time in the same mac computer.

Did I get it right?

Asio won’t let you share its drivers. Either multirack or daw.
Now the question is if m-waves system supports more than one asio driver in the network…
Can 2 pc laptops (2 asio drivers) function properly in the same network like Dante’s DVS?

Or should I adjust my budget for a mac computer after the m-waves card?

IDR32
Motion Computing LE1700
idontPad1&2
M-Dante.

[letmefixParticipant]

Native multirack is working?
Did I read this right?
Could you share the hardware specs of your computer running multirack native?
I can’t help but drooling…

IDR32
Motion Computing LE1700
idontPad1&2
M-Dante.

[letmefixParticipant]

Every time I gig, my eyes and ears are looking for waves C4 to tame wild vocals. At this point it would be nice to hear from A&H officials if there is any intention and time frame for a multiband compressor.

IDR32
Motion Computing LE1700
idontPad1&2
M-Dante.

[letmefixParticipant]

Fullcompass says they will receive their first batch by the end of March.
I’m thinking on selling my Dante card to move on this one. Unfortunately Dante needs to solve their DVS latency by any means if they want to compete with this product.
Recording with a simple cat5 cable and using waves multirack was my only reason for getting into dante. However 90% of my gigs are in small venues where I can’t tolerate more than 5-6ms latency.

IDR32
Motion Computing LE1700
idontPad1&2
M-Dante.

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