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Originally posted by Chris93

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Originally posted by Joe Hinkens

Chris,
That’s a really clever solution, but I don’t want to make a fuss over the camera requirements. I’m already going to be recording everything for them via the Dante card to Studio One DAW. So how ’bout I just send them a feed from the stereo matrix?

On the video needs, I have know idea. My contact just said, “He’ll have all the cables”. []
I’m clueless on the isolation you mentioned. What would be a typical scenario?

Thanks,
Joe

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What I’d suggested with that routing was to give you a way to mix them into the camera matrix without getting them through FOH, the subgroup was only involved because inputs can’t be routed direct to a matrix.

The live mix might sound better (more “live”) with a bit of audience and room sound in it. If you can easily add this later that would be preferable, rather than trying to judge it on headphones during the show. []

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That sounds smart. That’s the way we’ll do it. I’ll be dishing off the wav files to them and let them run with the as they wish.

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NT5’s are nice mics, quite wide polar pattern and fairly flat response so should be good for ambience. I haven’t used the 214’s.

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I have a pair of NT5’s so I’ll bring those. I’ve never heard of the 214’s. You’ll notice I’m down for only one audience mic unless I connect the other one to the GLD surface. I’m out of inputs on the AR2412. There’s some uncertainty on the keyboard requirements to that may open up a couple more channels if he doesn’t bring his pads.

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Something like this would let you isolate the camera from your GLD, but if he’s plugged into the same FOH power as you are you shouldn’t have any problems.

https://artproaudio.com/artcessories/audio_solutions/product/dti/

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I just checked the isolator you suggested and there only $60 bucks so I’ll get one coming. Makes sense.

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The only thing I’d change if I was massively nitpicky would be in the AR2412 destination table where there are two entries for the same thing “justin/josh wireless” and I’d say which was left and right. It’s really obvious anyway but I’d still do it. [] I’d put IEM Tx (1 or 2) too rather than “wireless”, if that’s what it is.

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That’s funny! I thought I was the only one that picky. [] I’m on it. Revisions in process…

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Why is there only one tom mic? Input count limit?

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I asked the same thing. Turns out he’s only got one tom!

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Computer audio is coming from FOH, this is what the band intend, yes?

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Yes, I think they plan on running some videos on a big screen that need audio.

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Either way, this looks very organised. []

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Thanks!

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It’s just occurred to me now and may not even be a good idea, but if you did a hilarious amount of compression on the room mics they would be very low in the mix during songs (due to gain reduction) but quite present for applause and audience comments.

Very… slow… release… time…

If you try that it’s at your own risk. [:p]

Chris

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Another super clever idea. I’d have never thought of that in a million years. I’m gonna give that a try just to see if I can make it work. Fun stuff.

One other question…..
As I understand it, there’s no way to get an email notification when a response is posted to a thread on this forum. So if not, how do you stay on top of threads, topics, etc?

Many thanks,
Joe

Thanks,
Joe

GLD-80 w/M-DANTE, GLD-AR2412, MacBook Pro, Studio One 2

[Joe HinkensParticipant]

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Originally posted by Chris93

In addition to what you’re doing for the monitoring, I’d set it up with 2 stereo matrixes (sp?) and a stereo group.

St Mtx 1: “FOH”

Send your LR mix to this, then feed the PA from it. This will let you EQ for the PA / room without affecting the mix going to the camera.

St Mtx 2: “Camera”

Send your LR mix to this, and feed the camera from it. Gives you volume control, compression and EQ (if you want it) independant of anything going to the PA. Set up a group with audience mics and you can feed this into the matrix if desired. Unassign audience mic inputs and the group from the LR mix. Ext. In on the Mtx would work instead of the group but wouldn’t offer as much control.

This might leave you a bit tight on mixes but it’s something to think about.

Is this the size of gig where the FOH mix will be similar to what you’d want on a recording? What sort of connections will video be wanting? Some sort of isolation between your gear and his might be useful too.

Chris

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Chris,
That’s a really clever solution, but I don’t want to make a fuss over the camera requirements. I’m already going to be recording everything for them via the Dante card to Studio One DAW. So how ’bout I just send them a feed from the stereo matrix?

If I read you right, your tip on the audience mics is so the audience can be recorded but not end up in the mains feed? That’s pretty cool, but again, I’m not concerned with recording the audience mics. I just want to put a bit of the room in the IEM’s mix.

On your final couple of questions… This event is taking place at an old veteran’s hall. I mixed it last year (on my old desk) and it drew about 500 people. So yea, the FOH mix is very much like what I want to record.

On the video needs, I have know idea. My contact just said, “He’ll have all the cables”. []
I’m clueless on the isolation you mentioned. What would be a typical scenario?

Below are the channel assignments I’ve come up with. The main reason I’ve organized the inputs the way I have is because I have two stage boxes, 12 inputs each, that connect to my rack via multipin connectors. So it keeps things simpler if I route things in relation to the stage boxes. Please shoot it full of holes if there’s a better way without getting too complicated.

Thanks very much for all the info. Your posts have been extremely helpful to me.

Thanks,
Joe

GLD-80 w/M-DANTE, GLD-AR2412, MacBook Pro, Studio One 2

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Originally posted by americanmadesound

OK, looked at your profile and you are in Solvang, CA. I was just down there recently, my cousins live in SB and I grew up in LA.
If I had known you were there, would have come by to say hi.
Cheers,

Rick
GLD80, AR2412, AR84, MMO, GLD Remote, KR202 array

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Small world Rick. If you’re ever up this way again, please give me a shout. I’d love to talk GLD. I’m stoked with this mixer but it’d be great to talk with an experienced user.

Presently, I’m routing audio to the rear of the GLD for main mix stereo feed to for the ‘camera guy’. I’m assuming I should use the Matrix 1 stereo, rather than Matrix 1 & 2 which is the default from the A&H template I loaded. Is that right?

Thanks,
Joe

GLD-80 w/M-DANTE, GLD-AR2412, MacBook Pro, Studio One 2

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Originally posted by americanmadesound

OK, looked at your profile and you are in Solvang, CA. I was just down there recently, my cousins live in SB and I grew up in LA.
If I had known you were there, would have come by to say hi.
Cheers,

Rick
GLD80, AR2412, AR84, MMO, GLD Remote, KR202 array

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Small world Rick. If you’re ever up this way again, please give me a shout. I’d love to talk GLD. I’m stoked with this mixer but it’d be great to talk with an experienced user.

Presently, I’m routing audio to the rear of the GLD for main mix stereo feed to for the ‘camera guy’. I’m assuming I should use the Matrix 1 stereo, rather than Matrix 1 & 2 which is the default from the A&H template I loaded. Is that right?

Thanks,
Joe

GLD-80 w/M-DANTE, GLD-AR2412, MacBook Pro, Studio One 2

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Originally posted by americanmadesound

Joe:
Yes, brilliant idea. There are 6 musicians requesting HB and drummer wants a line feed. So looks like 7 auxes + stereo (FOH?) + wedges??? Should work fine.
Now how to get the auxes into the HB system..HB hub will probably need to be on stage, so that means you have 12 returns for HB aux’s, wedge and FOH. Should work.
Most likely the feed to video will come from FOH GLD console as it will be closer to the video camera (maybe).
Good luck and have fun!

BTW I describe the ME-1 as an Aviom on steriods. Love them.

Rick
GLD80, AR2412, AR84, MMO, GLD Remote, KR202 array

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Rick, you’ve got me salivating for those ME-1’s.
I just got off the phone with the talent at this show and I ran the Hearback idea by him and he was completely in agreement. So I’m thinking we’ll be fine. Thanks so much for the vote of confidence. I was getting that sinking feeling earlier on. []
Thanks again!

Thanks,
Joe

GLD-80 w/M-DANTE, GLD-AR2412, MacBook Pro, Studio One 2

[Joe HinkensParticipant]

I think I got it figured out. I called my buddy Clive and he suggested avoiding grouping the 22 or so instruments and vocals into the 6 feeds on the Hearback system. Instead he came up with the idea to send each person’s entire monitor mix to one Hearback channel. So in essence it would be no different than a custom monitor mix for each person, rendering the other five knobs on the Hearback controller obsolete. So musician #1 would get his mix off of Hearback channel 1 and would leave all the other 5 feeds set to zero. It becomes nothing more than a level control of their ears mix. They would communicate with me on any changes they need in their mix.

Not the greatest arrangement but better the original plan. Maybe a set of those ME-1’s will be coming sooner rather than later!

Thanks,
Joe

GLD-80 w/M-DANTE, GLD-AR2412, MacBook Pro, Studio One 2

[Joe HinkensParticipant]

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Originally posted by americanmadesound

Joe:
Good luck with this gig, you are a brave soul to take this on. HB is good, have used it extensively with GLD via MMO card (+ 24 track recording at the same time via ADAT outs)until I got hooked on the ME-1’s. I have 6 of those now…love them!

I do not know if the Dante out will work with the HB system, I doubt
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Mixing for the HB system will be complex. You only get 6 channels other than the 2 stereo, so you have to be selective in what goes to what channel. With this Setup no one will get a “more ME!” knob, eveything will have to be grouped (vocs, drums, keys, guitars, computer PB, ?). Easiest way to do this is using auxes.
They also want wedges? Hope you are geting paid well for this one.

PS Generally the fan tail of the DA-88 are TRS jacks, so you will probably need converters from TRS Fe to XLR Fe.

You could send the video guy the same stereo mix you will send to the HB unit (probably use 2 return jacks on the GLD console). However with this setup, you will soon run out of return jacks on the AR2412. You have 12, 8 will be used up for the HB, 2 FOH, 2 left..wedges, IEM? Do you own a AR84 or two? That could give you more.

Good luck, wish I could be more helpful.

Rick
GLD80, AR2412, AR84, MMO, GLD Remote, KR202 array

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Thanks Rick.
I ordered an AR84 this morning, but it will be a miracle if it arrives before Sunday, the day of the event. I may have to just tell them their ‘wish list’ will need to be cut down a bit. I’m familiar with the 6 channel limitations of the Hearback system. They tout it as 8 channel but as you mentioned, two channels are dedicated to the house mix. So all-in-all kind of funky for what I’m trying to do. Glad to hear you’re having success with the ME-1 system. I may have to look at investing in a few of those for the future.
Thanks for your response.
Joe

Thanks,
Joe

GLD-80 w/M-DANTE, GLD-AR2412, MacBook Pro, Studio One 2

[Joe HinkensParticipant]

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Originally posted by Detonator

Joe –

DI (direct out) channels 1 & 2 to a couple of unused outputs.

Tim Tyler
Detonator Sound
Richmond, Va USA
R72/32 laptop iPad Dir-815 Dante

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Hi Tim,
That makes good sense but we’re tapped out on our outputs of the AR2412. We’re using 2 for Mains LT & RT out, and we’re using the other 10 for 5 stereo in-ear mixes. I could add an AR84. Below is a picture if our rack for reference.

Thanks,
Joe

GLD-80 w/M-DANTE, GLD-AR2412, MacBook Pro, Studio One 2

[Joe HinkensParticipant]

For what it’s worth, here’s how our drum rig is set up.

Thanks,
Joe

GLD-80 w/M-DANTE, GLD-AR2412, MacBook Pro, Studio One 2

[Joe HinkensParticipant]

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Originally posted by Chris93

Are there other bands involved or is it just you?

Chris

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I think there is another group on before us primarily acoustic instruments.

Thanks,
Joe

GLD-80 w/M-DANTE, GLD-AR2412, MacBook Pro, Studio One 2

[Joe HinkensParticipant]

I have a question on what options our band can use for a monitor split for an upcoming gig. We run the GLD80, AR2412, and the Dante I/O card. Up to this point, our GLD80 has served as both FOH and monitor mixer with us mixing from the stage, but we have an upcoming gig where a sound company will be providing the PA and we want to use our GLD80 for our monitors(all in-ears)and a split to FOH.

For our regular rig, we use the Dante card along with a Macbook Pro and DAW to do virtual sound checks. But more importantly, we also use the Macbook and Superior Drummer 2.0 software for our drums. Our drums all have triggers, mesh heads, and Smartrigger cymbals connected to an Alesis Trigger I/O interface which connects to the Macbook via USB. The output from Superior Drummer feeds channels 1 and 2 of the GLD80 via the Dante card(Cat5). All the other inputs are conventional on the AR2412 (mics, keys, guitars and bass modelers).

So my question is… is there a practical approach to working a split into our rig when considering that channels 1 & 2 of the Dante I/O are being used for our drums?

I have a message in to the sound company asking what gear they will be using but haven’t heard back yet.

Thanks,
Joe

GLD-80 w/M-DANTE, GLD-AR2412, MacBook Pro, Studio One 2

[Joe HinkensParticipant]

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I’ve been trolling the various sites looking for a case for my GLD 80. I’m looking for one without the doghouse but with wheels. I made the mistake of trying a molded Gator case which was a complete waste of money.

Thanks,
Joe

GLD-80 w/M-DANTE, GLD-AR2412, MacBook Pro, Studio One 2

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This is the case I had made:
https://soundforums.net/junior-varsity/7904-gld80-discussion-3.html#post62959

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That’s a nice looking case. I found a builder today that is going to put something together for me.
Thanks,
Joe

Thanks,
Joe

GLD-80 w/M-DANTE, GLD-AR2412, MacBook Pro, Studio One 2

[Joe HinkensParticipant]

I’ve been trolling the various sites looking for a case for my GLD 80. I’m looking for one without the doghouse but with wheels. I made the mistake of trying a molded Gator case which was a complete waste of money.

Thanks,
Joe

GLD-80 w/M-DANTE, GLD-AR2412, MacBook Pro, Studio One 2

[Joe HinkensParticipant]

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Originally posted by Joe Hinkensa new rack with 3 stage boxes (LT, RT, and Drums)connected with 3 new ‘homebuilt’ Amphenol multipins to the rack which really cut down on setup time, and new Fulcrum Acoustic FA28 PA tops.

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What is LT and RT? I’ve heard of Upstage, Downstage, Stage Left, Right and Centre…

What subs did you have under the Fulcrums? What size was the room?

Chris

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Chris,
I was referring to Stage Left, Stage Right, and Center (drums). The stage boxes connect via multipins to a rack panel I built consisting of 3 multipin connectors with sockets that have fanouts with xlr’s and trs connectors that patch to the AR2412 and the drum trigger interface. This way we can leave everything in the rack connected.

For subs, we’re temporarily running QSC K Subs while I’m waiting to take delivery on a pair of the new Fulcrum dual 15’s active subs that are soon to be released.

I’m guessing at the room size but I think it was about 50′ by 50′. Just a small little beer hall, yet relatively decent acoustics.

Thanks,
Joe

GLD-80 w/M-DANTE, GLD-AR2412, MacBook Pro, Studio One 2

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Originally posted by Chris93

Sandisk or Kingston. Not too large a capacity, I think 16GB is fine but I wouldn’t go for a 32.

Anything different may well still work, but is a bit less likely.

I Use an 8GB Kingston DT101.

Chris

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Chris,
I’m curious why the 16gb limitation on the USB stick? I’ve been using a Kingston 32gb for the past month or so and it appears that it died this past weekend. It doesn’t register as being plugged in to the GLD nor my Mac computer. I have an identical 2nd stick and it works just fine.

Thanks,
Joe

GLD-80 w/M-DANTE, GLD-AR2412, MacBook Pro, Studio One 2

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