[fcbParticipant]

Hi Adrian.

It sounds like you did the obvious tasks:
– set port b to have the mmo card
– map direct outs to the adat

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This might be your problem
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– You need to hit apply EVERY time you assign a direct out to an adat channel on the I/O setup screen.
So
1)click the ADAT channel
2) select the outptu source
3) THEN CLICK APPLY
Repeat this process clicking apply each time until all channels are set up

Other things to possibly look at:
– ensure follow fader is off in the mixer preferences
– ensure follow mute it off

[fcbParticipant]

I would like a phaser effect.
I would also like an autotune effect.

[fcbParticipant]

1) We play some tight venues and some venues where having traditional snake is displeasing to the clients. So I LOVE the digital snake (ACE).

2) I love the features of a digital board. To be fair, most digital boards have these features. But I like:
– tons of mixes, tons of DCAs
– compressor, eq, gate, on each channel…. yep now I have 32 compressor!!!!!
– 8 fx
– great for a variety of venues – we use it mostly for a rock n roll band with horns but we easily created a show for a high school musical/theatre setting.
– you can set up the mixer off line using a laptop or one the mixer itself
– ability to get a card and use digital protocols such as adat, aviom, etc.

3) What do I like particular about the iliveT over other comparable digital mixers:
– The A&H team listens to their customers and implements features that they request. I urge you to participate in the forums and put in your wish list. One of the features the ilive did not have at the time I bought it was a tap tempo but on the user defined keys. One of the later firmware versions added this feature.
– The system is modular and you can mix and match surfaces and mixracks. Furthermore you can slowly build your system: you can get a mixrack first then get a surface later.
– digital snake
– ability to control the mixrack from either the desk and/or laptop at the same time. This allows you to walk around and tweak things such as speaker delays, eq, etc. I also use a laptop to mix monitors from the stage.
– If power or a connectionis lost to the mixer, the mix rack continues to pass audio
– If power is lost to the mixrack then restored, the mixrack starts passing audio in about 10 seconds.
– The interface is much easier to use than an LS9.

4) What are some Cons

– We had a preamp was acting bad (most likey the gain control circuitry). However, A&H replaced the card. Furthermore, we did NOT have to send the mixrack back. They sent us a card and we replaced it ourselves thus saving shipping time. So although we had a problem, A&H handled it without giving us the run around. The problem was not a show stopper in our case. I have heard of LS9’s freezing up during live shows.

– If you were an early adopter of the ilive, you might have to buy a new scb (1.5ghz vs 1.0ghz) so that the latest version(1,61) works. Lucky for me, I don’t have this problem (whew). However, I do feel like early adopters are being be penalized for buying the first surfaces. To me, the early adopters took the risk and believed in the Ilive series and they should have their boards replaced by A&H without a charge. Fortunately it is my understanding that there are few of these early surfaces out there.

– The T Series does not come with a case. A&H does not offer a case to purchase.. You will need to spend around $1000 to get a high quality case custom built. We purchased one from Olympic case. We gave them the specs and the case fits like a glove.

– I would have liked to see some of the outputs on the surface be xlr instead of trs.

– Output cards are avaialble but must be purchased separately. I purchased the Mult out card for the IDR series. It is very hard to find. The part numbers for the mini multi out varies from dealer to dealer. A&H lists it as M-MMO-A on their web site. Searching for M-MMO-A on the fullcompass.com site yields no results. Fullcompass lists the part number as M-MINI-MOUT-A. The card sells for $699 which I think is overpriced. However, I had no choice but to buy it so I could do live recordings. Fullcompass was the only place I could find it. Other dealers acted like I was smoking crack when I tried to explain what I was looking for. So this card was a bit tough to purchase.

Misconceptions about the Ilive T:

The problem with the ilive T series is that people compare it to a variety of products without keeping the playing field level.

Misconception #1 – The LS9 costs less for a similar product

First of all, the T series is comparable in price to digital mixers such as the yamaha LS9. However, the ilive is much better in my opinion. One of the big advantages is that the ilive has a digial snake. Its actually ACE which has some control and audio both so its not exactly a digital snake. However, the bottom line is that you have a single piece of Cat5 cable instead of an analog snake. If you get an LS9, you need to buy a say a 32 or 48 channel snake to make it comparably equivalent to an ilive T. Further more, if you do want to use a digital snake with an LS9, you would be spending several thousand dollars more for. I personally like the ilive T series better than the ls9 plus it already has a digital snake. So the street price of the ls9 is lower than the ilive T112 with a mixrack, the T112 + mixrack is a better value.

Misconception #2 – “The Ilive T is not rider friendly. Get a PM5D”

I do not argue that the Yamaha, digidesign, etc are probably at the top or riders. I don’t think that it is fair to say that the ilive T is not rider friendly when the rider calls for PM5D. You are comparing apples to oranges. The PM5D is tens of thousands of dollars more than an ilive T.

The ilive T costs *little* bit more than an LS9.
The ilive T costs *ALOT* less than a PM5D.

You will hear these arguments to get an LS9 but remember you don’t get a digital snake.

Then you will hear people argue get a PM5d, venue, etc. instead of an ilive T when you only considering an LS9 to begin with.

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I hope a presented a fair and balanced opinion of the ilive T. All in all I am very happy with my ilive T112 and the IDR32 mixrack. The ilive T series has TONS of pros and just a few cons. There is not product that is absolutely perfect. The good thing here is that A&H respects the wishes of the users via comminucation on their forums and they are constantly improving the ilive series. I would recommend buying it!

[fcbParticipant]

It would be more a a jvm version (java) rather than a windows version.
Check the versions of java on both machines.
go to a command prompt and type:
java -version

[fcbParticipant]

Another example would be having a master control for controlling several monitor mixes. So you would let a dca control say 5 aux outputs. So if you hear need to raise or lower ALL MONITORS on stage, you could use a single dca the aux sends for 5 mixes.

[fcbParticipant]

Clintage –
The groups are a type of mix. (auxes, LR, etc are also mixes)

The matrix is a “mix” of mixes. So you only assign mixes to a matrix. You don’t assign inputs to a matrix.

The DCAs are NOT mixes. They are like remote controls for any slider controlling an input or a mix. (although it does not move the slider)

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There are lots of different scenarios. Here are some scenarios where you might want want to use a DCA.

Suppose you submix your inputs to groups (say drums group, vocal group, instrument group). Then you assign those 3 groups to LR main mix. You plan on running three sets of speakers: main speakers, front fills, and outfills. So to do this you create three matrices all fed from LR. 1 matrix for mains, 1 for front fills and 1 for outfills. You can set the levels for each set of speakers to your liking.

So your signal routing looks like this:
inputs -> groups -> LR -> Matricies

Suppose your are doing a board recording based from the LR mix also. So it now looks like this:

inputs -> groups -> LR -> (Recording and Matricies)

Lets see now where a DCA would work well:
LR feeds your output level to the speakers and it also feeds the recording level.
So LR works as a master volume for your entire mix. So if you want to make the live volume louder or softer, you *could* grab the LR slider, but that would affect the recording and make the level change. Or, you could grab the matrix sliders but then
you have to grab 3 sliders. So the issue here is that we do not have a MASTER volume that affects only the overall speaker output.

You can use 1 single DCA to essentially control the 3 matrix outputs yielding you a MASTER volume control that preserves your relative levels matrix levels controlling main speakers, front fills and outfills. AND it would s not affect the recording level. The LR fader can stay put the whole night.

So what you would do is make a DCA to that controls the 3 matrix outputs. So you have one single MASTER slider that controls that live volume that does not affect the recording level. Its almost like turning the amps down instead of riding LR all night.

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Another example would be controlling specific inputs.
Consider controlling all microphone inputs (exclude anything that is direct input because it does not feed back) . You might assign all microphone inputs to be controlled by a dca. In case you get feedback, you can quickly reduce the input channels that are mics and leave the direct inputs unaffected. WHen you find the cause of feedback, you can turn the dca back up.

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[fcbParticipant]

I believe I have the older version of the scb.

Ok so the big question…
Is this an upgrade that needs to be purchased? Or can the old board be exchanged for the new board?

[fcbParticipant]

FYI – we did a test recording again at 44.1k and it sounded bad (same kind of distortion).
We did a test at recording at 48k and it sounded much better.
So perhaps the down sampling in the alesis hd24 is not the best.
So be careful about convertign to 44.1 k. You may not get the results you expect.

[fcbParticipant]

About the mini mult out card…
We did a recording using an alesis hd24 using the ADAT from the mmo card.
The recording sounded distorted on all channels. There was a constant distortion (not a clip sound at high volumes).
I am saying this because the down conversion from 48k to 44.1k may not be the best in all devices.
Luckily the HD24 recorder records at 48k as well. We are going to try again this weekend using 48k.
I will report back in on the findings.
We are going to take a very methodical approach to finding this problem and will try changing one thing at a time.

[fcbParticipant]

Here is our case if any one is interested. It was built by olympic Case and it fits like a glove. I am very happy with this case:
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Small dog house for storing a few cables and things
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[fcbParticipant]

quote:

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Originally posted by timdgibson

I’ve had one for almost 2 weeks now in a iDR-48 w/ the T112.

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Can you give me the contact info of the dealer you used?

[fcbParticipant]

OS is Linux based.

Ours has not crashed yet. I have only heard of 1 instance where it crashed. I also believe that the things that do make it crash would be major configuration changes (ie firmware upgrades etc). These are not the typical things you would be doing during live usage of the mixer.

It takes a bit of time to reboot the surface, however there is a nice feature….
If the mixer loses connectivity with the mix rack, the mix rack will continue to pass audio.

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