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Hey. I use my desk for two different bands.
I play different venues every gig.
I use scenes but TBH they are more for just keeping input levels, monitor mixes for each different band member and FX settings the same per gig (Its a good starting point anyway). I just dial it back to the last time that band played with me, adjust and save as a new scene.
The band members can each adjust their own IEM mixes with phones/tablets.
I will always EQ a room as I never play the same place twice (Might be different for you but it really doesnt take long to knock out the worst troublesome feedback frequencies)
I doubt you’ll need 30 scenes for each of your 3 bands, you’ll probably just save a new one each time after loading up a previous one.

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@pinkycramps
Are you using a stereo monitor mix? As in TRUE stereo so you can move instruments left or right off the desk in your IEMs (Not the same mono mix in both ears)?
You have to set this up on your IEM base unit and receiver correctly first.
If not then THIS is the way forward. Ive always had the possibility of a stereo IEM mix but it didnt even occur to me I could use it until 6 months ago.
Now Ive got an amazing sound scape in my head. I used to get overly bothered about “Only having reverb on this and that” but after sorting the stereo IEM I now find that a tiny bit of reverb on the whole mix is fine. Its more like listening to actual pre recorded music then and less of a mono-mush.
After all a “Mastered” piece of rock music will no doubt have reverb over everything to make it gel.

Also you havnt advised what IEM unit or in ears your using.

Anyways, just my two pence.

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Here’s another thought: you haven’t set it up so that the reverb is feeding back into itself have you ? (And don’t ask how I got that idea)

I have previously had issues with reverb feeding itself back in some kind of loop (I cant remember how I fixed it now, but I did) so this may have cropped up again.

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I appreciate everyones continued thoughts on this matter.
Can I EQ out this “Frequency” on the reverb channel in the future

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No wedges and high pitch ring? Sounds like the PA is directly bleeding into the Mic(s). What kind of mics are you using? Tried supercardioids?

This isnt an ongoing issue, just something I’d like to learn to avoid in the future.

Vocal mics are all Sontronics STC-80.
They do not really need EQing as such. (Check out some SM58 to STC-80 comparisons) – Like I said only when necessary. Although might be worth an look at if it was all happening all the time.

My entire ethos for mixing audio is FLAT UNLESS NECESSARY.

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WaihekeSoundie

Thanks for your response.
I dont use compressors, gates or anything. The only effect I use is a small bit of reverb on vocals when needed.
Channels – All flat (Unless REALLY REALLY needed to be EQ’d)
Occasionally use a bit of HPF on anything thats a bit bass ringy.
GEQ – Dialled in as needed to remove any problem frequencies using RTA. (The main thing I do over ANYTHING else) – Yeah I know its better to do this on the PEQ but its MUCH quicker to do on the GEQ. I know all about Maximum Gain Before Feedback and positioning of speakers/mics/EQing to avoid this and I always leave plenty of headroom.
No wedge monitors used (We all use IEMs).

Its nothing to do with cupping mics, turning up gain, too much reverb etc

I really have next to no time to set up and sound check as I’m doing both sound and performing at small to medium sized wedding venues, but would just like to be able to tweak this problem ever so slightly when it occurs. Its more of a trailing high ring (That dies off) than a full on feedback though.

I appreciate any further comments/info.

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So you’re trying to identify one frequency that you can hear?
Maybe download a frequency generator to your phone or iPad, plug some headphones into it, and then match it’s output to the feedback. This one works quite well:

Hey Mark
If only I had the time to do that 🙂

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P24 I believe.

Hmm, now where does it say what you CANT adjust 🙂

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Ah, many thanks guys, you’re all brill for helping me sort this.
Just so I can call myself stupid EVEN FURTHER on what page in the manual does it say you can pan the stereo monitor mix channels?
I know MarkPAman says P41 but if its there its not in plain enough English for me 🙂

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Ah OK, so Ive hit
Mix Select 5&6
Then GREEN SEL button per channel and there you go, yes PAN is available independently from FOH mix.
When PROCESSING button is selected I’m still seeing the same FOH channel strip screen though yeah? That right?

What else apart from Pan (and of course volume per channel per monitor mix) can I adjust here now in a monitor mix then?
If I mess with PEQ etc its just going to change the front house mix yeah?

Nice one ta

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Hi CK

So, feed 5+6 into the two inputs of your IEM. By default, all your channels feed this the same to both sides (except the Stereo ones which feed L+R with a Balance control, as you’d expect).

On the desk, after you’ve selected the Mix 5+6 button, the Pan is now controlling how much of each channel goes to each side – this is independent of the “main” Pan for L+R.

Hi
Thanks for the response.
Ive got this far above but the PAN control on the desk (Below the Comp control) is not lit up and does nothing?

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Yes and Google prior to posting here
Your link doesnt bring up any relevant results.

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If you were to open the battery compartment door while filming, would it still be OK?

Yeah, when you open the battery compartment door it does NOT save the last video being recorded. So I guess your right about all that.

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All great ideas, but does anyone know WHY the QU16 works like this when recording to USB drives?
When I use my DSLR to record video footage if the battery runs out it still saves the file OK to the SD card in it.

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My PEQ for each channel is entirely flat, I dont use any presets. I only adjust if something sounds majorly wrong coming through the PA system. I play to 100-150 people in wedding venues week in, week out. It probably helps that we have really decent mics though and all use IEMs.
I drop the bottom two sliders of the GEQ all the way down, make the room feedback, check the RTA, drop those problem frequencies out of the GEQ then its just a case of adjusting the volume of each channel when mixing (and panning) sometimes all I have is vocals though the PA if its a really small venue.
If I can get the channels loud enough without feeding back (Due to maximum gain before feedback due to room size) I will then add a little reverb.
I literally dont have the time for “Library presets” when I’m up against the clock at a wedding or any function for that matter, but can appreciate the want for them in other scenarios.

I learned all the above on the A&H forum and now I can “mix” pretty much any room I perform in thanks to MarkPAman and many other members.
I now consider myself to be quite the dad-hand at guerilla engineering………….No doubt I’ll now have an awful gig on Saturday 🙂

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