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  • #108332
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    Context: We use a dLive S7000 console with a DM64 for our FOH and also run our bands IEMs off the same console. I know, I know, but a full second console wasn’t in the budget, and we can’t staff a weekly monitor engineer. The worship team each have an iPad that they are able to use to control their individual IEMs (Qty. (8) Stereo Shure PSM1000) via One Mix which works really well for us 99% of the time. I use the soft buttons on the side of the console for quick access to their stereo Aux sends and can help them mix their ears fairly quickly when needed.

    Question: When I setup the talk back mic, there is only an option for gain on the talk back mic input and that’s it. Depending on where my team sets their master on their Stereo Aux Mix and where they set the volume on their PT10 body pack, my talk back mic is too quiet for some people, and practically deafening for others. Is there a way to adjust the “non-existent fader” for the Talk Back Mic independently for each Aux/Stereo Aux?

    Please ask any clarifying questions if my notes don’t make sense.

    #108343
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    Jgrift
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    This would be a nice feature! I currently get around this by creating a talkback group. Which does have individual level control to aux sends.

    #108349
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    Assign the mic to a channel? We do this since 35+ years now on monitor consoles.

    #108356
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    Dave
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    I bring my talkback back on a channel and let them set their level however they want.

    #108418
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    Jgrift: Yea thats what I am doing currently as well. I have my FOH talkback in a Group all by itself (with a compressor) and a few Worship Leader talkbacks (with Mic Mute Stomp Pedals) in another group (also with a compressor) and then those two groups are labeled and accessible from their iPads. It has worked really well for us, my only issue is I can’t talk to an individual band member, I have to talk to all of them as a group each time. For example, if my comment is for the drummer, I don’t necessarily need everyone to hear it, I just want to say something really quick to the drummer. They have 12 different talk back groups built into the console, but I can’t select their individual outputs, I have to select the FOH Talkback Group I have created.

    SteffenR/Dave: I have considered this, but then I am not able to use the talk back buttons as soft assign buttons. I currently use the last three soft keys as FOH talkback unmute buttons (press and hold, NOT toggle). Button (24) is for Worship and Production Teams, button (25) is for Production Team Only, and button (26) is for Worship Team Only. This also would leave me with the issue above, when I used the talk back mic, everyone would hear me.

    Thanks for the feedback!

    #108442
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    Thats a pretty complex setup. I use TB assignments a lot to talk to band vs my shout channel to other engineers. But have not really ever needed to talk to individual musicians.

    One think I wish A&H would do is make the pickoff point for the TB bus (and each TB group) post talk button. If this was available as a source for an input you could just have a bunch of inputs to do this. I think the issue for them is that the TB section would need lots of buses to do this and carve a bunch processing out.

    If you have budget take a look at Glensound products. They have a range of Dante based com boxes. They have a panel with 16 buttons which could be assigned in this way.

    #108556
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    SteffenR/Dave: I have considered this, but then I am not able to use the talk back buttons as soft assign buttons. I currently use the last three soft keys as FOH talkback unmute buttons (press and hold, NOT toggle). Button (24) is for Worship and Production Teams, button (25) is for Production Team Only, and button (26) is for Worship Team Only. This also would leave me with the issue above, when I used the talk back mic, everyone would hear me.

    How many spare auxes/inputs do you have? The dLive supports up to 12 “Talkback Groups” — you could route each of the first three to different auxes and then bring them back to different channels (if necessary). You can assign the last three SoftKeys to whichever Talkback Groups you want. You can even have some be latching and some momentary.

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