Scene Filters should not change after changing mix configuration

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  • #82932
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    mixJM
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    Scene Filters should not change after changing mix configuration.
    Currently making any change in the Mix Rack configuration (where you decide about the number of stereo / mono busses) changes recall filters for some parameters in all scenes to “allow”.
    For scenes that have recall filters purely for surface illumination or fader layout only, or settings of a one channel only this is a big problem. With shows with dozens of scenes it is necessary to go through all of them and to adjust filters even if you add a matrix in the mixer configuration.

    I think default filter for all new parameters appearing in the Scene Filter after changing the configuration of busses should default to BLOCK, not ALLOW.

    #82935
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    Steffen R
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    please not…

    #82937
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    Wolfgang
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    I’m also of the opinion that the default value here should be BLOCK. so at least in all scenes that use a recall filter!

    In my case, I have dozens of effect scenes in which I store complete effect settings (for single or multiple FX engines) that are recalled for different music moods and special songs.

    As soon as I change the mix configuration, I have to check the recall filters in all these scenes and often reset them. That’s a lot of work every time.

    After loading version 1.80, I had to do this again in all my shows, because a few new functions were added – and then the filters didn’t fit anymore.
    In this case I can understand it, because here completely new features were added. But when simply adjusting the mix configuration (e.g. adding two aux sends) it’s really annoying to have to adjust the recall filters again. If you forget this in hectic situations, it can cause a lot of trouble when recalling a scene.

    #82938
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    tmdarlan
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    For the love of God yes. i get nailed with this all the time. if there is a filter in a scene then it should default to blocked.

    #82940
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    mixJM
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    Steffen R – how is it helpful for you when it defaults to ALLOW?

    #83052
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    Wolfgang
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    for the effects i would much rather have a completely separate scene management.

    #83791
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    mixJM
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    I got burned with this once again – this time when bringing my show file from C2500 to S5000.
    My fader layers recalled nicely on the Bank 1 and Bank 3 leaving the middle bank blank. So I decided to put some strips in the middle bank. Then during the show I recalled a “guitar solo” scene which to my surprise cleared the layout of the middle bank.

    There should be a way to avoid this. For now a painstaking going through all scenes and readjusting the filters is the only way to go.

    Please fix this.

    #83824
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    Wolfgang
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    Unfortunately, I have already had these experiences.
    only that not the faderstrips disappeared, but other preamp settings were recalled!
    that happened to me three times at different concerts, i don’t need that again.
    since then i check the recall filters of my effect scenes almost before every gig!

    i have reported this for a long time and hope that there will be a good solution for this problem soon.

    #83830
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    mixJM
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    Where did you report it? Perhaps I will do the same?

    #83831
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    RS
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    Submit a ticket here

    #84964
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    mixJM
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    I have submitted a ticket regarding this but they said this, even if considered, would not be on top the list of the things to do.
    I’m admiring how this is done in Waves LV1 – recall scope stays the way it was set, regardless the changes in the mix configuration, like on Avid Venue desks.

    #85662
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    Wolfgang
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    That’s one reason why I’ve been thinking about an external solution for the effects for quite some time.
    But then it’s an impractical solution and costs a lot of money again, then it’s added that this investment is not paid for by the customers. That’s why I haven’t implemented it yet.
    So we still have no choice but to check the recall filters before every show start.

    Nevertheless, thank you very much for opening a ticket.

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