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Adding a recording setup

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2012/10/05 at 5:11 pm #23329

dshriver
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Hello everyone,

My FoH system is T-112 connected via ACE to my iDR-32, with an ACE card in PortB to connect my two xDR-16 extenders. PortB on both the xDRs is currently empty.

I’m starting to work out a recording setup. My desire is to record 48 channels of Dante audio from my iLive system. I’d like to have an R72 surface for my recording engineer and I’d like to connect that to another iDR rack. I’ll be using 2x JoeCo recorders to record the direct outs (up to 48 channels). I want to use the R72 to create a 2 track (and/or mono) mix for broadcast, web streaming, archive, etc.

So, can I put a Dante card in one of my xDR-16s and send 48 channels of Dante audio out to the recording iLive and to my JoeCo recorders?

-David Shriver
Director of Technical Operations
Shalin Liu Performance Center
Rockport Music

2012/10/06 at 3:36 am #31592

gilparente
Participant

With version 1.9, Yes.

Gil Parente
Design & Integration
Entertainment Arts, Inc.
iLive 176, T112
iDR48 , iDR16, iDR10
Multiple iPads
Dante
Etc..

2012/10/06 at 5:34 am #31594

clarocque
Participant

If you do not already have the JoeCos, they have a DANTE 64ch version now.

T112, iDR48, M-DANTE, PL10, MixPad, Editor
MacBook Pro, Mac Mini
Lion/Logic Pro/PT10
All latest versions/firmware

2012/10/08 at 11:51 am #31611

Nicola A&H
Keymaster

Hi David,

The answer is yes.
With current firmware V1.83 you can send out up to 64 channels to any card fitted in Port B of an xDR-16. In your scenario you’ll have a Dante card connected to another iLive system. This second system will have access to all the 64 channels.

There is a limitation on the number of inputs available in an xDR-16 Port B though, so if you are planning to playback your sessions in the FoH system for virtual soundcheck applications, you’ll get no more than 16 channels. This is likely to change in V1.9 for systems with one single xDR-16 (not two).

I hope this helps,

Nicola

2012/10/08 at 10:47 pm #31625

SteffenR
Participant

Hi Nicola,

can you explain this a bit more detailed? Why do have two xDR-16 have different Dante input possibilities than one?
Did you mean to xDR with Dante Cards?

SRV-AVB
R-72, iDR-16, xDR-16, Dante

2012/10/09 at 12:27 am #31627

gilparente
Participant

Hi Nicola,
I could be wrong, but i was pretty sure that 1.83 had issues with clocking distribution over the portB of a dual rack or xdr system. Which has been resolved in 1.9.
Have u tested this set up?

I actually did a dual rack system linked with Ace with a Dante to split to a mon console and it didnt work. AH told me it was the problem that i described above.

Thc

Gil Parente
Design & Integration
Entertainment Arts, Inc.
iLive 176, T112
iDR48 , iDR16, iDR10
Multiple iPads
Dante
Etc..

2012/10/09 at 9:57 am #31632

ahjeff
Moderator

Hi

quote:

Why do have two xDR-16 have different Dante input possibilities than one?

The Master Port B can have up to 64 remote inputs. With two xDR-16s, that’s 16 analogue inputs each, plus any from the Port B cards. In this scenario, we take Master Port B channels 1-16 from Expander 1 Analogue in, 17-32 from Expander 1 Port B, 33-48 from Expander 2 Analogue in, and 49-64 from Expander 2 Port B.

As of V1.9, with one Expander, we take Master Port B channels 1-16 from Expander 1 Analogue in, 17-64 from Expander 1 Port B.

Any other solution would have the potential to break existing systems that relied on the two-expander functionality.

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I actually did a dual rack system linked with Ace with a Dante to split to a mon console and it didnt work. AH told me it was the problem that i described above.

I don’t see a problem described above, and I’m not sure what the problem would be with that system, but V1.9 extends syncing options to allow every syncing option I could think of.

Hope this helps

– Jeff

2012/10/09 at 9:58 am #31633

Nicola A&H
Keymaster

quote:

Originally posted by gilparente

I could be wrong, but i was pretty sure that 1.83 had issues with clocking distribution over the portB of a dual rack or xdr system. Which has been resolved in 1.9.

Hi Gil,
this is not completely true.

Current (V1.83) limitations in sync options make it impossible to sync an iDR FROM Port B of its Expander (or its slave MixRack in Dual-Rack mode). As Jeff said, we hope to address this in V1.9.

Nevertheless, if the Dual-Rack system (or the system with the xDR) is the Master clock in the Dante network, with all other Dante devices set as Slave (sync from Port , there is no issue with V1.83.

Hope this makes sense.

Nicola
A&H

2012/10/09 at 10:28 am #31635

SteffenR
Participant

That’s to complex to me, I have to draw it to paper…[]

SRV-AVB
R-72, iDR-16, xDR-16, Dante

2012/10/09 at 10:30 am #31636

SteffenR
Participant

quote:

Originally posted by ahjeff

Hi

The Master Port B can have up to 64 remote inputs. With two xDR-16s, that’s 16 analogue inputs each, plus any from the Port B cards. In this scenario, we take Master Port B channels 1-16 from Expander 1 Analogue in, 17-32 from Expander 1 Port B, 33-48 from Expander 2 Analogue in, and 49-64 from Expander 2 Port B.

As of V1.9, with one Expander, we take Master Port B channels 1-16 from Expander 1 Analogue in, 17-64 from Expander 1 Port B.

Any other solution would have the potential to break existing systems that relied on the two-expander functionality.

That makes sense…indeed

SRV-AVB
R-72, iDR-16, xDR-16, Dante
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