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There are some differences in the two scenarios. Your touch screen worked fine for a bit after the update and then deteriorated and mine flickered immediately after the firmware update. Secondly, you experienced much more deterioration in function than I did. Of course, the calibration trick worked so the mixer was not affected for as long.

Was the function of the control surface or (if you had a router connected), QuPad affected as well?

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When I updated the Qu-Pac firmware up to date from 1.71, which it shipped with to 1.82 the touch screen flickered. I calibrated the touch screen and then recalibrated it to the default calibration setting and the flickering stopped.

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Hi Harry,

Thanks for the clarification in #53932. I’d be happy to edit my posts as well but im not sure I know how or have that option.

Jake

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Hi Klaus,

I’m thinking the same thing.

On the product/features list I’d like to see a stage box that competed the QU-Pac perfectly. With 16 in and 12 outs. For my purposes I’d like it in a rack configuration, so it would be a new product probably called the AR1612. The AR2412 does this now but gives us 8 more ins, so I think it’s unlikely. And let’s face it, 24 in and 16 out makes for an awesome stage box.

Can anybody think of a circumstance where you would want the QU-Pac at a table and a stage/rack box near the musicians? Recording with a DAW, perhaps?

Thanks for your input everyone.

PS on Friday I spoke to some dance organizers for a dance up north and they are in the market for a mixer. They loved what can be done on the iPad with QU-pad, but we’re afraid that their pool of techs might not all be comfortable with a digital board. The QU-16 came to mind as a solution with a reasonable learning curve. Any thoughts?

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Hi All,

At last night’s gig I tried a couple of experiments. I put the QU-16 on stage without a table. I left my router inside of the rack case, instead of placing it on top of the case. The rack and case we upstage and stage right… So the router was blocked by an additional wall in two directions. In the hall my connection was great. The hall has a pesky neighbor so I often cross the street and use a SPL meter app to check sound level at her curb. I made it across the street but lost connection about 40′ short of her place, so the router placement did effect the range just a bit. I’ll have to try again in the previous location on the table with it in the case and on stage behind the wall to see which affects it more. I’ll let you know. The point of course is to create a setup that is as close to plug and play as possible with the least amount of steps that is still reliable.

Thanks again for everyone’s input.

Jake

PS At this point I’m thinking that if I switch to the QU-Pac I’ll get a shallow 6U rack for the QU-Pac, my wireless mic setup and the voltage regulator. This should leave half a rack space for the wifi router to go beside the Senneiser wireless mic receiver unit.

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Hi Harry,

That was in response to this portion of your post, “Hi All, one important thing that may have been missed here is Qu-Pac’s Qu-32 Core.
With an added AB168 you have expand to 32 mic pres and 24 outs!”

Your contributions are most helpful.

Thanks,
Jake

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@mervaka

“Adding preamps does not give you extra DSP horsepower. The Qu-Pac has 32 channels of DSP horsepower, but only 16 preamps.

Similarly, it does not give you extra busses and output processing, only extra output sockets that you can route to an output processor of your choice.”

Is that a reference to the stage boxes like the AB168?

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@harry. Thanks for the info but I’m confused. The AB168 adds 16 mic preamps and 8 outs which gives us 20 outs not 24, correct?

We’ve discussed the possibility of using the QU-Pac’s touch screen to continue setting up or mixing the gig if the wifi router fails, the question is how convenient is it?

Also I don’t understand the QU-Control reference either.

@debzdoodle thanks for the photo.

@audiokla I have only used an iPad Air and have yet to tryout Android apps for QU mixers.

PS I updated my firmware and am looking forward to trying it out tonight.

Thanks everyone,
Jake

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@[XAP}Bob No WiFi router is of course our worst nightmare. I spoke to Dominic at American Music & Sound the distributor for A&H in the US, asking about the QU line and the QU-Pac in particular and he strongly recommended using security on the routerfor the following reason. He mentioned that sometimes routers fail when someone spots our network and tries to join it. He said it will most likely simply end our connection with the mixer but that sometimes it will damage the router. A feature suggestion I might make would be some sort of hardwired connectivity to a laptop or a USB adapter to a tablet, in case the router fails. I’d really to make the switch to a rack case like the QU-Pac, but would very much not like to be dead in the water before or during a gig.

@klaus The difference in footprint between a QU-16 out of the case and a QU-Pac mounted in a rack case isn’t much. I have Gator G-Mix-1921-8-TSA polyethylene case for the QU-16. My biggest challenge is not the space on stage as I use an of stage table most of the time, but the space it takes in my vehicle. To have the QU-Pac onstage would save a step in that I would not need to setup the 3′ foot square table as well as shorten cable runs somewhat.

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I am often in the same hall so I’ve already rung out the room with GEQ at LR and the mixes, which I do tend to do from the iPad. If I’m recording I do the routing from the touch screen on the console, of course. I then mix the recording on the iPad. I use the PEQ on the iPad for the caller and each instrument. I do notice an image latency when I have more than 8 input channels and I swipe to see the other faders. That said I am loathe to give up the security blanket of the control surface but I’d really like the PAC and the smaller form factor an expandibility of the QU-PAC. If others have used the QU-PAC the QU-16 id love to hear your thoughts.

Thanks,
Jake

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In what ways is set up slower? I’m using version firmware 1.71 with a Qu-16 for live sound (folk dances) and I do pretty much all of my setup on the iPAD. What features are available from the Qu-Pac, with out a stage box that are not available on the Qu-16? Is it possible to patch the matrices or groups to the existing mixes? Or is the Qu-Pac pretty much a packable Qu-16 with 32 out and 32 in USB streaming?

Thanks,
Jake

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I did get the Gator GMIX-1921-8-TSA. I’ve used it for a few gigs now and I really like it.

I have the Gator GMIX-1921-8-TSA, too. Big thumbs up from me on that one. I don’t like to have my mixers hard mounted in rails for transport. The gator was the smallest, lightest, and most preotective I could find at the time — don’t know if there are new offerings out there that you’d want to consider, but I really love the Gator. Very easy to lift in and out of the case. If you don’t need or want yours to be rail mounted, I’d highly recommend the Gator GMIX-1921-8-TSA.

I agree! It’s a bit bulkier than I expected, but it does the job of a light weight, rail-less and padded case for the QU-16 extremely well. I arranged my QU nearly identically to the way that mamerica has in his photo. The change I made was to put the wedges on the back/connector end of the mixer to move the center of gravity toward the center of the case. The mixer is easy to lift out and is quite snug while traveling. My photo does not show it but I put the grey acoustic foam in the same location as his photo shows, above the “ridge” of the back of the mixer.

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mamerica,
Did the extra pieces of foam come with the G-MIX-1921-8-TSA or did you add those? Is there anything you don’t like about this case?

My priorities in a case are light weight, small, sturdy, a good fit, shock absorbent, not rack mount and plastic. Lift out to use is ok. I use my Qu-16 weekly and pile my gear on my rear truck seat for transport so a plywood or similar flight case with rivets and metal corner caps may rip the cloth seat.

The A&H case looks to me to be a rebranded version of Gator’s G-MIX 20X25 ATA case, which is larger and doesn’t look as sturdy from the pictures. I’m leaning toward the G-MIX-1921-8-TSA, but comments or other recommendations would helpful.

Thanks,
Jake

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