[JeffParticipant]

There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers…and everyone else probably wants to know, too, but are too shy to ask 😉

Anyway, I would bet yes, because I use the same USB stick on my GLD and QU mixers. They just have different folders, but the A&H formatting is the same and I’d be surprised if A&H changed the USB formatting while keeping the stage boxes compatible. You could copy your USB to a PC just in case and they try it and see. Worst thing it does is overwrite what you saved as a backup.

Hope this helps,
Jeff

[JeffParticipant]

Well, “simpler” depends. In both cases you have to do some configuration setup, and I will say that it took me about 10 minutes to set up in Companion (pick the dLive module, configure it with IP info for the GLD, add a button that recalls the number scene I want, and done). It should be noted that Bitfocus Companion is replacement software for the StreamDeck, i.e. you can’t run them both on your PC simultaneously, so if you already use the Streamdeck with its included software, you’d have to recreate that on Companion (or run Companion from a different computer. That said, StreamDeck might have a module for the GLD, but I don’t use their software so have never looked into the availability.

MIDI-wise, if both mixers are right next to each other then cross-connecting MIDI cables (if it works) would be fine. However, if they are any distance apart then Companion pulls ahead as it can send commands over the network. I’m not sure if Carey Davies is a member here (likely, as he’s an A&H Engineer that designed the GLD and QU series, among others), but I also know him through other forums like ChurchSoundCheck so will give him a shout and see if he can jump in here. He’s provided valuable info to me in the past on questions that aren’t really covered in the manuals, or are not “traditional” but do work.

Jeff

[JeffParticipant]

Not sure, but if that doesn’t work you can use BitFocus Companion software to trigger scenes on each GLD simultaneously. It’s designed to work with an Elgato Streamdeck (rather than the Elgato software), but you don’t even need one as the software browser interface has a StreamDeck emulator. Although there are no GLD modules, the dLive module scene recall does work.

Jeff

[JeffParticipant]

We have almost the same setup (GLD-80 w/AR2412+AR168 and a local AR84). We initially used the GLD Editor for our livestream with a Stereo Aux, but like you, we wanted a hardware solution (would have been nice if the GLD Editor could be used with a MIDI fader pack, huh?). So we got a 2nd GLD-80 and two M-ACE cards (Dante would have been nice but just too expensive). If we want to send a stereo Dante output somewhere, the Audinate AVIO adapters are very cost effective: https://www.audinate.com/products/devices/dante-avio.

The ME-1 isn’t a bad idea for a livestream feed, as it gives you 40 channels (and grouping), hardware control and local headphone outputs for monitoring. The problem is, you can’t mix and match ME-1 and Aviom (I don’t *think*…pretty sure it’s a global setting). If that’s the case, you could also use an Aviom mixer, just limited to 16 channels.

The 2nd console is the best option for control, especially if you have a separate room available. We’re loving the move. You could get another GLD (used, there’s some good deals out there) and a pair of M-ACE cards like we have, or you could upgrade to two SQ mixer with the SQ Link card to do the same thing. The SQ takes a Dante card as well, so you could use the GLD with an SQ if you have Dante cards for each.

If you get a GLD Dante card, as you’ve probably discovered, you can interface with any Dante device, whether it be a separate console (GLD, SQ, Avantis, etc) or with a Digital Audio Workstation (and most of them can use Midi Fader Packs like the Behringer X-touch, Presonus FaderPort or Mackie MCU for tactile physical control). Oh and convert over to the ME-1 for IEMs…your musicians will love you for it.

Hope this helps,
Jeff

[JeffParticipant]

I noticed the link for the motherboard manual earlier in this thread is not working, so here’s another source for it:
https://www.kontron.com/download/download?filename=/downloads/datasheets/d/d3313-s-mitx_20191203_datasheet.pdf&product=157710

Jeff

[JeffParticipant]

Hi Mel,
You can route the Main Mix to a Matrix, and then assign the Matrix to the USB Recording.

Jeff

[JeffParticipant]

Agreed, we need to know what your current layout is to envision this. Are you using the 6 effects rack slots for individual channels? And separate groups for each set of speakers (and how many speakers are you running to?).

Typically you would have an Effect that has its own mix, i.e. vocal reverb, instrument reverb, chorus, delay, etc and you can choose what channels to have affected by it by adding it to that effects “mix”. You can then send that mix to the house, group, DCA whatever. Personally I use a DCA so that raising and lowering the DCA also does the same for the effect.

In Ear-wise, just throwing this out there, we got the ME-1’s with our GLD after having Avioms with our previous mixer, and as much as the Avioms were an improvement over wedges, the ME-1 was 1000% the improvement with its 40 channel capability and the fact that it uses up no groups on the GLD. It’s just like having a pre-mixer snake split for each musician, and they can be set to not be affected by Fader or Mute actions so they are completely independent. You can even have groups on the ME-1’s so they can have each of the 16 buttons control either an individual channel or a group of channels.

Hope this helps,
Jeff

[JeffParticipant]

Hi Matt,
We have the ACE cards as well with a FOH and Broadcast setup (both GLD-80’s), but have done some research into Dante. Yes, you need a Dante card on each GLD Mixer. The Dante cards operate exactly the same as the ACE cards as far as assignment, since you are doing the assigning to either card itself on the I/O page. When you assign output channels to an I/O Card, you are choosing from whatever sources are assigned to that desk. On the Dante side of things (i.e. in a Dante-equipped DAW or other Dante-equipped mixer), you will see available whatever sources are assigned to the Output ports of that devices I/O card. I.e., your Broadcast GLD sees whatever sources are available on the FOH GLD, depending on what you’ve assigned to them on the FOH GLD.

The ME-1 system comes out of the same Monitor port on the FOH dSnake stagebox and isn’t affected by the Dante change, as you do the assigning on the Monitor I/O page. Your list of sources may change though, so verify all of the assignments on the Monitor page are correct after switching over. Plus, you want to be sure to set the Monitor operating method from Aviom to ME-1 to take advantage of the addition 32 channels. Btw, you will love the ME-1 system. We switched over from Avioms to the ME-1’s when we upgraded to the GLDs and never looked back.

Hope this helps,
Jeff

[JeffParticipant]

Excellent! Glad to help 🙂

Jeff

[JeffParticipant]

Chris,
If your Subnet mask is set to 255.255.255.0 like most are, then the first 3 octets need to match for the PC and GLD to find each other, so it shouldn’t be confusing the 192.x.x.x and 193.x.x.x ranges and keeping the Gateway and DNS clear in your AV should keep the PC from looking out on the public Wi-Fi for it. By using different IP ranges, when you put the GLD IP in GLD Editor, it automatically looks at the available network interfaces for the one with the compatible IP range. If you had the GLD on the same IP range as the public network, even if on different network adapters, the PC wouldn’t know which one to use to get to it, and would default to the one that is most set up, i.e. DHCP/DNS/Gateway entries all filled in.

The Gateway entry is only needed if you’re going to go outside of your network, so you don’t need one if everything is on the same network and don’t need to route outside of that network (and don’t want one on every adapter if the PC has multiple adapters on mutliple networks).

Jeff

[JeffParticipant]

Hi Chris,
I have the exact same setup at church, two GLD-80’s on an isolated church AV network (10.10.2.x) and each has its own dedicated PC on both the isolated church AV network (10.10.1.x) and church Wi-Fi (192.168.3.x).
On the Church AV network we use static IP assignments, 255.255.252.0 Gateway (so the 10.10.0.x to 10.10.3.x ranges we use can talk to each other) and we leave the Gateway and DNS settings blank (IMPORTANT).
The church Wi-Fi connection is simple DHCP as the church network administrator handles all of that and it’s all standard DHCP pool. The exception is they have our Teradek Vidiu streaming box MAC address permanently linked to the IP we want in the Verizon Router’s IP table so it doesn’t get re-assigned.

This works like a champ, and we didn’t even have to specify which network interface to use, just entered the GLD-80’s IP address. The only issue we ever had during setup was when we initially added a DNS setting to the AV network PC/Mac connections, as the computers would try to reach the DNS server for web-based connections. This also affected trying to reach the Internet over the church Wi-Fi. Once we deleted the DNS entry, all was good.

Oh, and just a handy DNS tip unrelated to the wired AV/Wi-Fi Internet network issue, do make sure that you have your Secondary DNS Server IP settings on any computer is set to something OTHER than your ISP’s DNS servers (like if you have Verizon, set the 2ndary DNS to Google’s DNS at 8.8.8.8). I can’t tell you how many times Verizon’s East Coast DNS servers have pooped the bed, and it always seems to be during Sunday Services, taking down our live stream and our Children’s Church Online Check-In software on their PCs. Once we found discovered that the reason my AV PC’s never fell of the Internet during these outages was because I’d been using OpenDNS’s DNS server settings for years (so Verizon’s DNS outage didn’t affect me), we implemented at least one non-Verizon DNS addresses on all PCs, and later on the church router as well, and have had no issues since.

Hope this helps,
Jeff

[JeffParticipant]

Actually you can have up to 56 “available” inputs on the GLD series with an AR2412+AB168 on the dSnake output and an AR84 on the local Expander output. You still can only assign up to 48 channels, but you can use scenes and mix files to re-arrange routing to take advantage of this. Our GLD-80 is set up in this manner (this was a firmware update feature add a number of years ago that increased the dSnake capacity from 32 to 40 channels).

Hope this helps,
Jeff

[JeffParticipant]

Keep in mind you can also add the AR84 at the desk expander output and run that down to the stage for 8×4 more I/O channels. With an AR2412+AB168+AR84, and the surface connections, the GLD’s will actually support up to 56 *available* inputs even though you can only *assign* a max of 48 to channels.

Jeff

[JeffParticipant]

Nope, as long as you don’t exceed the max cable distance.
I have a GLD dSnake output plugged into a wall jack, running ~150′ to the backstage closet where it terminates in another wall jack, and then a patch cable connects from there to our stage box.

Jeff

[JeffParticipant]

No, you can only use the AR84 in the Surface Expansion port as it only allows for 8 inputs and 4 outputs.
Now, could you plug it in and use 8 of the 16 inputs and 4 of the 8 outputs? That, I don’t know.

Jeff

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