[AshleyParticipant]

Also inverted gang on pan would be nice, very helpfull if you gang 2 channels into a stereo. A big issue with that is that you can’t pan the signal propperly, or you need 2 hands to do it.

[AshleyParticipant]

This would be very helpfull indeed

[AshleyParticipant]

That would be a summation of the already summed mix-busses, hence it does not require a normal mixbus to do so. The routing documentation (sheet) may clarify things for you.

[AshleyParticipant]

You can change contrast in the setup menu on the desk. You can independantly adjust scribble & touch screen contrast.

[AshleyParticipant]

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Originally posted by ronnykoning

Now I know how to solve this, but I am stil wondering why this works like this.

It seems unusual to me.

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The issue is in the template; if you configure the mixer yourself, it will all be post fader.

You could just save the template under a different name if you often use a particular setup as a start.

[AshleyParticipant]

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Originally posted by Chris93

A matrix is after the other buses in the signal flow (because it’s fed by them), but it’s still summing signals together so I can’t get my head around how it’s not a mix bus…

The way I understand your “group with/without output” thing a “group without output” would have no processing and would just sum signals together, because the processing section is the “mix out”. I don’t actually use any processing on my LR bus normally, so this sort of thing might be a nice option.

Chris

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A matrix is not fed by the busses, it is fed by the post fader signal after the bus is summed. You can’t route channels directly to matrixes, hence they don’t require a normal mixbus.(it’s on the other side of the masters if you will)

Basicly a matrix is an “extra” built in mixer that has the group,aux and L/R/M masters as input channels, with a single M/ST output.

Well the idea behind having group without output processing, is saving outputs to be used as matrix. Ofcourse the absolute perfect solution would be to unlink comps on groups(then you would not have to route a group back to a channel). But as it is, it would save up outputs for matrixes, and i normaly have channels to spare anyway.(it remains a workaround for not having unlinked comps. I’m happy at least it’s now possible to do without losing double the amount of busses/outputs.) I noticed on the iLive the Matrixes do not count in outputs/busses. I guess i overlooked that when i bought a GLD….

[AshleyParticipant]

This is normal for GLD & Editor, the matrixes are after the mix outputs, so they don’t require any Busses. They do however need Mix outputs.(the mix output contains the graphic eq etc.)

The Fx send are before the mix outputs, so they require a Bus, but no output.
The Fx returns are dedicated ‘FX channels’ which act like normal channels.

In general i’m realy happy they made it possible to re-route groups to mono channels. This finaly makes unlinked comps possible on subgroups, without using double amount of groups. Unfortunatly you have to give up a mix output for a subgroup, that is the last feature i would like to see optional; group with output/group without output; so that it becomes possible to have more matrixes without giving up subgroups. (i usualy have extra busses, but not enough outputs.

edit; @ Chris; i’ve tried “Dave Rat’s” setup like you want to use(if i remember correct at least) By routing stereo groups back to inputs, you can use the (mono)input compressors instead of the group comp, so they are unlinked! The added latency is ok, since you reroute all the groups in the same way. Only you need to change the ‘Group’DCA, to the returnchannels on the inputs, as they contain the post-comp signal instead now [8D]

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I can read, thank you very much.

In my humble opinion; Either the artists are so good they have a monitor engineer(and matching budget) so you don’t need the app.
Or you are doing monitors from foh, where the ipad(s) are an extra service.

If you are doing monitors from foh, you are (usualy)mixing on a much lower budget, but i still doubt the musicians would have a problem spending that amount if you are their regular tech.

I feel that A&H have the issue that the GLD is partially overclassing the ilive, and is available @ much lower price. They have the thin balance to keep the iLive series above the GLD. The more they give out apps like this for free, the more they shift the balance to GLD. (the iLive app is not free either; the mixpad app is actualy E 99,00!)

I don’t realy understand the release of the GLD112 from a buisiness point of view, but hey i’m not complaining at all, keep up the good work A&H!

Just to point out; if you make a specific icloud account for this; you could have the users join the icloud during the gig, enabeling the app for free. You would have to change the icloud pass later etc.
This is obviously a workaround, but it could do the trick.

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Originally posted by Volum

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Originally posted by Ashley

Or just buy like 7 ipads, link them in 1 icloud. That way you only have to buy the app once. I can’t realy understand the problem though; you are willing to invest like 7-8k in a GLD, probably another 40-60k in mic’s, PA, lights, truck etc.
But buying an app for E 5,00 is to much? [?]

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Ashley: You clearly can’t read! I have bought the app (I wrote that further up on this page), and that is NOT the point in this matter.

Best of luck to you

Willy
FOH-tech.
GLD-80
AR2412
AR84

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[AshleyParticipant]

Or just buy like 7 ipads, link them in 1 icloud. That way you only have to buy the app once. I can’t realy understand the problem though; you are willing to invest like 7-8k in a GLD, probably another 40-60k in mic’s, PA, lights, truck etc.
But buying an app for E 5,00 is to much? [?]

[AshleyParticipant]

Time delay should not be a problem. I’ve been messing around with routing quite a bit lately. There seems to be no audible delay between routing paths.

I’m not 100% sure about this, but i think the fysical routing stays the same for all the signals, nomatter what you setup.
The CPU does some math according to what the user has setup & the signal gets modified. The signals exit at the same time. Everything is done in a data format, there is no fysical routing like on analog consoles. So there is no delay difference between signals, there is ofcourse some ‘basic’latency on both conversions A > D & D > A. But the CPU should be fast enough to handle all the data without creating delay between signals. If not, then i’m sure the techs @ A&H have compensated for it by delaying the faster channels to match at the outputs. That way a user would never notice it.

Comment from A&H would be nice []

[AshleyParticipant]

The Brochure talks about GLD Offline/online editing software, any news on when it will be released?

[AshleyParticipant]

unfortunatly it is still not possible to unlink comps on stereo groups….[?]

[AshleyParticipant]

I found (after mr. Rat pointing it out) a workaround(but still would like to have a unliked comp version), creating 2 stereo groups, then pan 1 groupmaster L, 1 groupmaster R. Then assign inputs to both groups. The comps remain linked, but since you only use 1 side of the stereo bus, thats ok.
Gang the the groups, an there you go!

It will consume quite a bit of busses, but as FOH, you normaly have enough of them.

[AshleyParticipant]

I was trying the same thing, and obviously ran into the same issues…
I do think it would be possible if you use Auxes instead of groups. The Mono auxes allow for different send levels to each aux and you could pan channels that way. It would also allow for seperate compression on the Auxes(so separate dynamics & panning)

the panning of instruments would be a complete nightmare though (i fear).

It would be nice if they added a button to disconnect the compressor, or make a dual mono compressor for this application.

actually an inverted pan link could also go a long way for this…

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