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@steffen R

Yep I found that also and am in the middle of submitting a ticket.

Thanks.

[anthony1974Participant]

@volounteer,

Yes I agree, I finally got to have a thorough read of the manual and study the block diagram but the manual as you say isn;t 100% clear on a few things.

I searched a lot on the internet and found this post on another thread: https://community.allen-heath.com/forums/topic/recording-with-effects-and-processing-using-qu-16#post-48813

So that, for some reason made me think it is possible.

I’ve got a Lexicon PCM92 that I really like the reverbs on and I really want to get it linked up. Some of the weirder fx on it are part of the songs I’ve been writing.

I guess I need to reach out to A&H Tech Support? Which is the correct/best/fastest way to do that email or phone?

[anthony1974Participant]

@steffen R

I have a USB channel routed into my desk as per the screenshot attached.

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Guys, thanks for all your help. I guess I am just used to my old setup where I got the FX right and just recorded it. I will take a look at the resources you’ve shared, it’s been about 12 years since I last recorded anything so I have a lot of reading and catching up to do!

Many thanks once again

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@volounteer – thanks for your response, the levels are all ok. From reading the other posts here it seems I have a more fundamental issue. I will check out the block diagram though.

@steffen R – yes I am new to this my previous set up was many years ago and involved a Makie 1402 VLZ with outputs straight into a DAT. I’ve also used Cubase with just an audio card and no mixing desk. Is there a good book I can read that discusses the correct techniques for recording using a digital desk?

I have to admit I had absoloutly no idea that people record tracks dry? How do you get the FX on them if you want to record the finished recording for a CD/Streaming?

Thanks.

[anthony1974Participant]

Hi volounteer,

My setup is quite simple I think.

I’m only recording 1 channel at a time. I’m recording the vocal initially and then will do convert each MIDI track to audio afterwards.

Internal FX are FX1 Reverb, FX2 Delay, they are routed to L/R mix.

I’m trying to peak at 0db on the master fader.

I have a couple of outboard FX fed from stereo outputs 5&6, 7&8, and the feed back into the desk into ST1 & ST2, apart from that everything else is quite regular. All inputs go directly into the QU, no handoffs before that. No Handoffs after the master stero out’s either.

The first issue is that even when trying to record a mic and just capture the internal FX of the QU16 to record an effected signal into Cubase, all I get is a dry signal. I thought that Cubase would pick up the internal FX, or do I have to record the L/R mix not the specific channel the vocal is on?

In case you missed it, I am using a Mac, Cubase 10, connection via USB. I have finsihed the song as MIDI, but now want to record the audio on separate channels.

Thanks

[anthony1974Participant]

When I record a channel in Cubase no internal or external FX are picked up, nothing, not even at a really low level. I tested using a heavy delay, nothing.

The externakl FX are patched out from the stereo mix channels and in on ST1 & ST2.

[anthony1974Participant]

Hi Steffen,

I mean by FX I mean QU16 internal reverbs, delays, modulators etc and any other external FX I have patched in.

Thanks.

[anthony1974Participant]

@mikec/@Volounteer, thanks for your input, yes music is all subjective, sound, arrangement, style etc etc.

I like the sound of the BBE, having listened to it through several sets of speakers and headphones, it applies a subtle lift and separation to the mix, subjectively, giving more clarity to sounds.

@steffen R I’ve used up Mix’s 5-10 already, and mix 1 & 2, so 3 & 4 is all I have left. I have a small submixer that is capturing return paths from some external gear I am using and returning it to a couple of QU-16 Channels as a stereo pair.

Already as a compromise in my thinking, instead of using the BBE as a post all, before sending the L/R path to the DAW (Cubase 10), I’m just going to use it like a regular FX, and be able to control the individual send levels of each channel to the BBE.

So now all I really need to know is if Outputs 3&4 can be combined and controlled by one mix fader, instead of having to use 3L/4R and effectively mix separately for the left and right channels of the mix (unless there is a way to copy one channel to another, then I could just adjust the pan?).

I think it is a miss by A&H if they didn’t make outputs 1-4 switchable mono sends vs 2 stereo pairs or a combination of the two. Should be in a software update, if there is a place to suggest that let me know.

Just as an aside, I was checking out the QU16 FX the other day and used an effect called Kraftwork, as soon as I selected it I got a huge amount of feedback! None of the other presets in that category had that effect, is that a bug, is there a place to report it?

Thanks,
Anthony.

[anthony1974Participant]

Hi Mike & Volounteer,

The QU16 is a great desk and I appreciate the flexibility that digital mixers offer, but for my musical tastes, I prefer to use a mix of internal QU16 effects and external effects. The BBE does lift a mix (I’ve used it already with the QU16), and as far as I could see there is no Exciter preset in the QU16 internal FX.

In “Setup”, I’m looking at the “I/O patch” screen I can see Alt Out and AES Out, these have several options for I believe the source that you can send to the Alt Out, but I am looking at Mix 3+4 (only ones I have not in use already). I’m assuming I can then route Mix 3+4 to the Alt out as long as I can find a return path to use in the traditional way. My only query is Mix 3+4 are both mono channels, so will assigning them to the Alt Out make them a linked stereo pair, or would I have to double up on mix settings for mix 3 and 4 because they would still be treated individually?

Thanks.

[anthony1974Participant]

Hi Alex, thanks for your help. I realised after a bit of looking that I had the wrong MIDI channel configured in Cubase which was why the MSB, LSB and PC messages were not transmitting to the QU16. All resolved now, Thanks

[anthony1974Participant]

My latest effort is getting there I think but still no change on the desk. Do I have to be connected via TCP/IP or will a USB connection work?

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Hi Alex,

There is a screenshot from MIDI Monitor below. I’m seeing the messages come through, but I can’t see the specific format that is mentioned in the MIDI Protocol.

I tried editing the Sysex message in cubase and it output something else, but it doesn’t lookl right (second picture).

Thanks,
Anthony.

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Hi Ludsi, yes you were right I had to configure the Cubase MIDI through.

[anthony1974Participant]

Hi Alex,

Does this mean I can’t send conventional MIDI controller message and have to send a chunk of sysex instead? This is what I can see in Cubase in the attachment.

I’ve tried adding a Sysex event but I cant seem to enter anything but numbers?

Thanks,
Anthony.

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