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2020/08/02 at 3:41 pm #93787
I have attached the 8.1, page 49 in my manual. It doesn’t mention the Alt Output or anything about how to balance it.
The problem I am hearing is that the vocals are really strong while the instrumentals are much lower. I would like to balance them better in just the Alt Output for our online viewers.
I have seen some other posts where people have asked for information on how to do this and they were outright refused because “you should really read the manual”. If that’s the advice you plan to give, please move on. I’ve already searched the physical manual and online sources to my hearts extent.
I’m asking for assistance because my own efforts have not yielded results. Thanks in advance for your help!
2020/08/02 at 3:52 pm #93788Here are photos of our setup…they didn’t load the first time.
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You must be logged in to view attached files.2020/08/02 at 4:57 pm #93793@TLC
look at the block diagram. the manual is very minimalist.
sure looks like when
<< the vocals are really strong while the instrumentals are much lower >>
that you need to adjust the faders to balance thosealt out is patched post or pre/post from mtx LR L+R mix or grp depending where you do it
I see faders to adjust those but they do the whole alt out not just vocals or instruments
you need to balance those en route to the destination that will be using themwhy do only online viewers deserve balanced audio? why not balance it for everybody?
2020/08/02 at 5:23 pm #93794@TLC
page 8 of the manual has a better diagram showing alt out
page 14 shows how to patch alt out
Alt out – Stereo ‘alternative’ output on balanced TRS jacks for connection to +4 or 0dBu equipment such as zone feeds, fill speakers, broadcast or local monitor. The source to this output is patched using the Setup / Output Patch / Surface screen.Note as a stereo OUTput you have to have the input channels already balanced before the signal gets here as it is too late to diddle instruments singers orators at this point
Page 72 also show i/o patching
the block diagram is on p 892020/08/03 at 1:38 am #93808What you are wanting to do has nothing to do with PAFL set up.
First you need to go the set up menu and the IO set tab, under the surface
selection you can choose the output source/mix to send to the ALT OUT.Did you set the ALT OUT to be the PAFL audio?…In this case you do not want
that!To get things working quick select LR PRE, that will send the same mix feed the
sound system to the ALT OUT and on to you live stream.The knob under the headphone level is the overall master level output for the ALT OUT.
After that look up one my post about setting up a separate mix to send to a
live stream feed.2020/08/03 at 5:20 am #93814I’ll take a look at this and see if I have follow-up questions. Thank you for now!
2020/08/03 at 5:26 am #93815@volounteer (#93793) I have the house balanced, but for some reason, I have always had a hard time with outputs to other media. We record to a CD and it’s never very good, but it at least gets the job done. I have followed everything I could to get it to come out better. In the case of the online viewers, the sound is unbalanced for the same reason (I’m guessing) as with the CD recorder. In the end, I’d need a professional- probably with knowledge about the QU-32 as well.
2020/08/03 at 12:11 pm #93822When you mix for the house unless your in a really large room the mix
is balanced to what levels are coming directly from the stage.For instance a guitar player with a really loud guitar amp or a set
of drums being played hard both will be loud in the room and in the
mix for the PA they will be turned way down to balance the mix
so it sounds good in the room.If you take same mix and listen to it somewhere else where the levels
directly from the stage are not there instruments or sources that were loud
on the stage will be really low.Setting up a separate mix for recording/live stream is what you need to look at doing.
Also if loud stage volume is an issue look at getting some of that under control.As you mentioned bringing in a legit professional who knows what’s going on for some system set up and training would be good idea.
I’m actually go to a church tomorrow with a QU32 and in addition to some system set up and clean up I going to set up a mix for their live stream.
Were are you located? I just did a search and I found a church by the name of what you have listed in your profile that is only about an hour away from me.
2020/08/03 at 2:35 pm #93828@TLC
we use a mix out to feed our livestream
you can adjust everything separately for the mix
so like @mikec implied dont use the alt out but use mix out instead
as to CDs
you always need to adjust several things in the DAW before burning the CD
definitely normalize levels of LR while removing DC offset
then tweak with EQ compression yada yada as desired but you will not be able to exactly balance
vocals and instruments so you need to fix them coming into the mix2020/08/03 at 2:44 pm #93829The ALT OUT can be assigned to any mix out on the board, so that would work.
I was talking about the PAFL.
2020/08/03 at 4:47 pm #93830You can assign alt out to mix but only POST.
Whatever, @TLC will still have to adjust vocals/instruments in the mix so why not just send the mix to the livestream directly?
2020/08/03 at 8:21 pm #93843You can assign alt out to mix but only POST.
WRONG!! The ALT OUT can be assigned to any mix/group out on the mixer.
It will output a selected mix either pre or post fade, that is determined
in the mix set up not by the function of the ALT OUT.If you choose to assign the ALT OUT to a group output then it will be post
fade because group outs are always post fade anyways. -
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