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  • #22913
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    JeffreyV
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    By default all auxes are setup to be post fade.
    We only use pre fade on our aux busses what means that every time we set up or change a bus we have to switch from post to pre.

    1. Who uses post fade on auxes and why anyway?
    2. Wouldn’t it be quicker to have pre fade on default?
    3. If we agree with eachother a bigger crowd is more likely to
    get Research and development to change the default, or add an option to change the auxbus default settings to prefade

    Jeffrey Vermunt

    Sound Services

    #29407
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    scruffyd
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    quote:


    Originally posted by JeffreyV

    By default all auxes are setup to be post fade.
    We only use pre fade on our aux busses what means that every time we set up or change a bus we have to switch from post to pre.

    1. Who uses post fade on auxes and why anyway?
    2. Wouldn’t it be quicker to have pre fade on default?
    3. If we agree with eachother a bigger crowd is more likely to
    get Research and development to change the default, or add an option to change the auxbus default settings to prefade

    Jeffrey Vermunt

    Sound Services


    1: Dancetracks, VB’s, stingers and fanfares etc that also need to be on stage are best post fader. Imagine you are playing back a contentum for improvised theatre, the part is over and you fade out the contentum, unfortunately you are pre fader and the sound continues on stage. Not good.
    2: For my day to day use I believe yes, faster with prefade as default!
    3: Option to change the default settings would be gtreat.

    IDR32
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    Macbook pro 17
    Ipad2 + mixpad
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    #29408
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    peterderks2007
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    Hi
    In reply to Jeffrey V;

    1.We only use auxes in pre fade mode, exept for FX and soundtracks,
    as scruffyd says,only then these channels are best set in post-
    fade.
    2.It would defenately save time if all channels were pre fade.
    In our configuration most channels are ,and only few in post-fade.
    It’s faster to set a few channels from pre-fade to post-fade,than
    almost every channel from post-fade to pre-fade(no rocket science).
    3.I’sure hope R&D will read this topic and change the aux default
    settings in standard pre-fade,this would save us a lot of time
    alltogether because we use three different IDR Racks

    This is a usefull topic,I hope everyone will read and reply on.

    Thank you Jeff

    Regards;
    Peter

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    #29409
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    peterderks2007
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    Hello Woutert,

    Most of us know how to use I-Live equipment.
    We all know we can alter things to our likings.
    But it would be faster to start with all auxes in pre fade mode,
    so you won’t have to alter post to pre to start with.

    I must have missed something in your earlier respond to Jeffrey I suppose?
    Why is post fade safer as a default?

    Regards;
    Peter

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    #29411
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    woutert
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    I agree on the fact that pre is easier. What I meant was that I never had a problem with the current defaults.

    You mention that the problem mainly arises when changing busses.
    I think, the nicest solution would be if the rack would reload the last settings after a mix bus change instead of defaulting everything.

    Now I do ‘store all’ before changing the mix config and then recall that scene which has the same effect. To me, I would like this to be the default behaviour when changing a mix bus config.

    Wouter
    IDR32, Dante, Mixpad
    laptop, TP-Link TL-WR1043ND

    #29413
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    RayS
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    quote:


    Originally posted by woutert

    I presume you know that you can set pre/post for an aux for all channels at once?

    As pointed out earlier, post-fade is “safer” as a default.

    Wouter
    IDR32, Dante, Mixpad

    laptop, TP-Link TL-WR1043ND


    Totally agree, post fade as default……..

    RayS

    R-72/iDR32/iPS10

    #29415
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    SteffenR
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    As a monitor console I always prefer post on every aux.

    SRV-AVB
    R-72, iDR-16, xDR-16

    #29416
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    Stix
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    Yeah I’m with Ray. Post fade default is the safest and I suspect some are not aware of the global pre/post Aux setting ( Routing window)
    Also I use post fade aux sends alot in conjunction with matrix sends – especially in theatre shows where you need radio mic vocals to go to orchestra monitors and backstage feeds, choir mics fed into stage monitors, orchestra feeds to stage and to backstage etc. Then scene automation fader level changes make the same proportional change in all those sends.

    Cheers

    Richard Howey
    Audio Dynamite Ltd
    IDR48/IDR16/T112/R72/Mixpad,Tweak,
    Dual M-Dante/DVS, 17″MBP/Logic 9/Custom Mackie Control

    #29418
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    riggs1963
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    Agree that post fade is safest….if the FOH channel fader is down, it’s down everywhere else too…therefore no surprises in any outputs…

    Changing pre to post globally takes about 1 second so yes….also agree, it sounds like the pre/post proceedure may not be known about by first couple of posters…

    Cheers y’all…

    T112|iDR48+ACEcard|Laptop|iDR16|iPad|iPS10

    #29419
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    scruffyd
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    I stand corrected! How did I miss the global pre to post? “embarrassed”

    IDR32
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