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I perfectly see that a dedicated hardware can be faster
no reason to trash Dante however they offer this too:https://www.audinate.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=241
Latency Network latency as low as 150us.
Round trip latency (including the audio application)
as low as 2.99ms
Onboard hardwareAlthough I don’t know how they can say something about roundtrip including the audio app, if they don’t know what the audio app will be. However I you build a custom server just to use waves, there are no apparent technical reasons why Dante could not be just as fast as Soundgrid. Soundgrid seems interresting, however don’t know their prices.
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Approx 560 for a 16×16 card. proprietary layer 2 protocol…Soundgrid seems nice but it only allow for waves plugins to be used…
Update: I asked them if they couldn’t make a Dante-enabled version of their soundgrid server.
Update on 21/11: Waves now also have a “SG Driver” which can be used as a standard ASIO driver for Soundgrid. This is no longer a sole advantage for Dante.Wouter
My prayers have been heard, Dante is coming!Well if they can develop a ExpressCard (notebook) with the same specs it would be great.
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Originally posted by woutertI perfectly see that a dedicated hardware can be faster
no reason to trash Dante however they offer this too:https://www.audinate.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=241
Latency Network latency as low as 150us.
Round trip latency (including the audio application)
as low as 2.99ms
Onboard hardwareAlthough I don’t know how they can say something about roundtrip including the audio app, if they don’t know what the audio app will be. However I you build a custom server just to use waves, there are no apparent technical reasons why Dante could not be just as fast as Soundgrid. Soundgrid seems interresting, however don’t know their prices.
655€ for a 32×32 card. proprietary layer 2 protocol…
Soundgrid seems nice however, so I do support you asking for this
Wouter
My prayers have been heard, Dante is coming!5ms = 1.72 meters
3ms = 1.03 metersThe difference between a latency of 5ms and 3ms is 0.69 meters.
You are dreaming if you think your ears are good enough to tell the difference between a signal delayed by just over half a meter.
There isnt a person on earth who can discern the difference.
Most stages have the sources spaced significantly further apart than half a meter.
Some performers vary the distance to their mic by more than this distance during an actual performance.If you can detect a delay then most likely your system is setup wrong or you have sucommed to the psychological marketing of the audiophiles.
If your whole system is turning to mud with the introduction of a 5ms delay then something is very very wrong with your pa setup.What plugins are you using?
For most effects you don’t really care about latency as there is a desired predelay anyway. Especially with verbs?
What are you doing in a small venue that requires plugins that can’t be achieved inboard with the ilive?
I think the easiest solution would be to unplug your plugins
I would say they are causing your system to sound like mud, not the 5ms delay.Toby
I was confused at first too, but we’re talking amongst others about compressor and EQ plug-ins to be inserted in the signal path to for instance in-ear monitors. In that case 3ms is indeed the maximum latency that’s considered doable for a musician to hear himself in his ears.
Waves now provide a customized linux based system with a version of their multirack software (split in too, UI is handled on another computer), but unfortunately they are trying to sell this with a fixed combination of their own audio-over-ethernet solution. “Unfortunately” because their platform isn’t open-ended, it’s also a proprietary layer 2 protocol, and more like that… so first of all we should really ask audinate to provide Linux drivers for their PCIe card to be able to built something similar to the SGS.
Or, as xvision asked, indeed also an expresscard version of their PCIe card for ultra-low latency
And moreover, ask audinate to help us create customized linux versions with the lowest possible latency. Anyway, seems like an interesting topic.I’m really glad that focusrite joined forces with Audinate,
I simply don’t want any more proprietary protocols and closed standards… at least Dante offers a standard Asio driver so you are free to choose which ever software or plugins or whatever you like to use, not just waves stuff however good it may be. Other than that I really expect Dante to keep up with developments from other companies… maybe they should start talking to Waves to help them created a Waves over Dante server for instance, since we only have one port BNow if Waves manages to get the round-trip latency under 1ms using standard Ethernet ports, other audio-over-ethernet providers should really be able to do the same by also customizing Linux for this purpose. Things would indeed get interesting with a generic VST-plugin server or so… any developers listening out there?
Wouter
My prayers have been heard, Dante is coming!
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