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Ok. Can I ask what Cat cable you are using? Exact model and length I need a 80 meter minimum for festivals.

I have had quite a few problems with a production I’m renting out at the moment, and I have been wondering if it could be the Pinanson dual cat5e + 220v + AES cable that is causing trouble. The FOH guy keeps struggling with sync errors (Clicks and pops), and not beeing able to find the server on from multirack, requiring multiple restarts of the whole system.

I don’t remember having such problems myself, but I am wondering if this Dual cable is the problem… Since waves is on a completely seperate cable, you would think it should have absolutely NO problems.

Also, what switch are you using? Mine is a cheap home office TP link Gigabit. And do you have a router attached?

[vilddyrParticipant]

GREAT F****G IDEA. I would love a clear indication of being in a different mix than Master.

And the Haas panning, excellent stuff!!

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I agree Mr B. It is certainly cheap, but the build quality is equal to the price. Really I was quite disappointed with the feel of my R72, but as you start using it, you learn that it sounds like it should, and that becomes your point of focus. But really, I think the T surfaces should be half the price. The Mixracks on the other hand, I wouldn’t mind paying a bit more to get

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I use my 1 month old macbook, so it shouldn’t really be a problem with the processing. But fact is that DVS is way too slow for actual processing. I’m not looking to record, if so, why would I be talking about using waves

The iLive is good for most things, but not great for bus/master processing. I need proper dynamics, multiband and some decent processing on the master. EQ’s are fine, but the comp and limiter is useless for bus/master compression, so i need something more refined and solid. And the scene system in multirack, is much nicer to work with than setting it all up on the iLive.

[vilddyrParticipant]

Hey Glen.

I have a complete waves setup with my iLive IDR48 rack, M-waves, R72 surface, Waves Soundgrid server, and waves platinum bundle. This is an absolutely amazing piece of technology, and I use multirack for both channel processing and FX, and I’m programming everything into scenes in multirack + use the setup for virtual soundcheck. I really can’t explain how much this has helped in achieving the things I want from my iLive rig.

@scott – if you ever need a showcase or demo in Denmark, I think I’m one of the only people here with an iLive/Soundgrid setup, and would be happy to tell everyone how awesome it is!

Regards, Tor

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Originally posted by waveslive

Hi Glen-

Please call or email me at scottp@waves.com. I’m in Knoxville, and would be happy to set up a demo for you. The M-Waves card offers 64 channels of bi-directional audio for record, playback, and processing.

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Scott Pederson
Sales Manager – Education and Live Sound – Americas
Waves Audio, Ltd.
Direct: (865) 909-9242

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[vilddyrParticipant]

Way too much latency, and not really an option. I was not particularly happy with my dante card, too much stress on the laptop with the DVS, and shortest latency is not very efficient for use with multirack in my experience.

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Why not doing split via Dante? If Waves was for plugin purpose that can be done over Dante as well, bit more latence, but works.

ddff

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[vilddyrParticipant]

It wouldn’t have been totally outrageus to build that wordclock port into the waves card itself, since this must be a somewhat easy problem to see coming

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Yes, exactly the problem. So it seems this will not be possible, which is very disapointing. A system that prides itself on digital distribution and compatibility, and then a simple task like this can’t be solved… Only with the big modular systems, where the M-waves card can distribute audio with the seperate word clock. That is really too bad. I am pretty sure the answer will be a passive analog split in my remote snake system instead.

Too bad, must say i am quite puzzled as to why the waves card cannot act as digital split, since it can split endless times with a standard switch, and then as soon as it is for the IDR racks it needs a seperate word clock… Weird

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thats not an ilive issue its a waves issue. it was never designed for that

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[vilddyrParticipant]

Yes, exactly the problem. So it seems this will not be possible, which is very disapointing. A system that prides itself on digital distribution and compatibility, and then a simple task like this can’t be solved… Only with the big modular systems, where the M-waves card can distribute audio with the seperate word clock. That is really too bad. I am pretty sure the answer will be a passive analog split in my remote snake system instead.

Too bad, must say i am quite puzzled as to why the waves card cannot act as digital split, since it can split endless times with a standard switch, and then as soon as it is for the IDR racks it needs a seperate word clock… Weird

[vilddyrParticipant]

This is where I think you are wrong… I might be able to get sound into the IDR0 from the IDR48, but it doesn’t really matter, because a T surface will not work with the IDR0. Then the only option is to use the ethersound and buy a modular surface. That kind of money i don’t have

Thanx though. Regards, Tor

[vilddyrParticipant]

No the M-waves card will not be usable as a digital split. It can only be used as split, if combined with a separate wordclock signal, which is only possible on the IDR0 and IDR10 racks.

Therefore, to use the M-waves card with the IDR0, I will need to do the digital split some other way… Ethersound/ACE whatever… But it is not clear whether this is even possible to do?! I want to have a seperate surface attached to both racks while having a digital split AND using the M-waves on the IDR0 surface… Can’t really find out if this is possible… And actually, I can’t figure out if the IDR can handle a T surface?

Regards, Tor

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Come on A&H… Please fix this, this behavior and independence of mixrack/surface and editor is HORRIBLE!!!! Can’t begin to say how much easier it would make things, if everything was integrated properly.

[vilddyrParticipant]

Hmm… It seems I’ve found the “error”. It does not suffice to turn off the Soundgrid Driver, you have to turn off the soundgrid connections in order to not get ACE overload.. This should be stated in the manual.

Nicola, could you please help me, as I’m on a slow connection, and I’m using multirack 2.0.1.1 from an old installation. There’s no actual problem getting the soundgrid to work, but multirack just lists the M-waves card as unknown hardware, and it is only possible to activate 32 channels…?

Regards, Tor

[vilddyrParticipant]

OK. I have tested thoroughly, and the card works, and i can get the system working with laptop as editor/multirack sound grid/soundgrid driver for virtual soundcheck and the surface running at the same time. Runs perfectly.

I then disconnect the laptop, turn of the soundgrid driver, connect the laptop to the surface to control the sound grid server, but it overloads the ACE connection instantly, and the surface will not even reconnect after i disconnect the laptop. The system is locked, and must have a FULL restart to work again. I really can’t figure out what’s happening…!

Would it be better to have the surface be the DHCP server? Now it is the 815 router.

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@kentlowt, thanks, but as you see in the post below, I have no problem understanding the scene/show structure, but as woutert points out, Allen Heath has made a major design flaw here.s

Whoever at Allen Heath who thought this was clever, has to change his mind immediately As you say, this makes no sense AT ALL.

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What you describe is not really surround, but distribution, so I would definately just solve the whole thing with matrix outs, and not the speaker processor as it’s possible to eq and delay the matrix channels separately it should be no problem, assuming you are not using surround fx.

And if you need some fx in surround, I would do these with automation or control from the laptop you mentioned, and a 5-6 MADI channels routed to the different matrixes. You should easily be able to program/automate some fx this way.

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