[MikeShandParticipant]

I would be inclined to reload a clean copy of the editor and save a new copy of your show(s) onto a USB stick from the gld itself and see if that clears things up.

[MikeShandParticipant]

Is this operating freestanding or controlling the actual GLD? I haven’t noticed any issues freestanding but haven’t used it that much controlling the mixer. I usually use an iPad for that. I’ve definitely done quite a lot of strip assigns freestanding without any problems in win 10.

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When you say “disabled” what do you mean?

Nothing happens when you turn the fader up, or unmute? Could be you have a DCA overriding it.

Can’t move the fader from Zero? Could be the fader is a DCA set to “fader to zero dB”.

Do you see signal on the channel meter?

Need a bit more information about what is happening or not happening.

Mike

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So I can answer my own question. Yes they are bidirectional, BUT in the case of setting the rotary gain, while it does update the actual value stored in the strip it doesn’t update the display in the LCD until you either move the knob slightly or switch to display pan or one of the custom values then switch back to gain. Not too much of an issue, but it led me to believe that setting a value in the GLD via midi wasn’t working.

Setting the fader level works fine fortunately.

I haven’t tried any of the others except setting the mute LED which does work, so this seems like a reasonable work around to the problem of not being able to independently set the local/non local state of the three buttons, since you can leave local off and then set it remotely in response to pressing the button.

All good fun 🙂

Mike

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Ah, I think I know what the

B0 00 03
C0 6E

are. They mean scene recall bank 3 hex 6E which equates to scene 495 which is probably the last scene recalled. So it looks like when you first connect to the GLD it sends the identity of the last scene recalled as if you had requested it. As it says

“Also transmits this message when a Scene is recalled from the GLD screen”.

And looking again at the midi strip documentation it appears that the fader output is fixed at Channel 1 irrespective of the midi channel setting.

But I still don’t understand the NRPN MSB message. What is that about?

[MikeShandParticipant]

Can you give some more details of what you mean? I assume you are referring to meters on mixes. You can’t set post fade metering for inputs.

[MikeShandParticipant]

You can connect an I/O output channel to one of a number of sources. These include the outputs of any groups, auxes, maatrices, Main, PAFL, FX I/O port inputs, Wedge, IEM and USB Play, and crucially for your purposes…

Direct Out or Input Sockets.

Direct OUT, as has been described above takes the signal from the assigned input channel using the GLOBAL take off point assignment as described.

Input Sockets takes the signal directly from the input socket, which is then post preamp, but pre trim and polarity. Effectively equivalent to patching the input coming into the mixer to the output (bearing in mind that the preamp is physically in the stage box).

So if you want all your I/O outputs from input channels to be post preamp you might as well just set the globall direct out takeoff point to “post preamp” and then assign each input as “Direct out”. However, if you want some to have some other take off point, e.g. Post PEQ, then you could set direct out to post-PEQ and assign those outputs to “direct out”, while assiging the remaining outputs to “input channels” which would effectively be post-preamp. Note that in this case you have no additional control over the level. Whereas if you use direct out, you can trim the level sent to the direct out on a per channel basis

What you CAN’T do is have some post-preamp, some post PEQ, some post Comp, and some post HPF (say). That is a limitation of the global nature of the direct out takeoff point assignment.

However, as has been described, the take of point of auxes is set individually per aux, so if you had auxes to spare and you absolutely had to have some combination of takeoff points as above, you could..

Use input channels for all the ones you wanted post preamp,
direct out for the majority that wanted some other takeoff point (e.g. post PEQ) – setting up direct out accordingly
and then on an individual channel basis set up an aux assigned to that channel with whatever takeoff point you want.

Clearly if you want to keep the channels seperate you would need a seperate aux for each channel, but of course if you wanted to feed the sum of more than one input channel to the aux you could do that too. But remember that the aux takeoff point is per mix, not per channel so you couldn’t combine the inputs from different takeoff points into a single aux.

Hope that clarifies the situation.

An inspection of the system block diagram is often helpful in cases like this.

So just to return to your original question. The simplest way to set up what you want would be.

Set the global direct out to be post preamp by going to the routing tab of any input channel and pulling up the DIR OUT SRC popup, and setting that to post preamp (I think it defaults to that anyway).

If you want any channels level to be anything other than the default 0dB (relative) you can set that using the fader in the routing tab of each individual channel.

Now assign each of your input channels in the I/O output page to “direct out”.

For your AUXs, go to the routing page of each aux, and check that the drop down on the right is set to “post delay”, then in the I/O output page assign the auxes to the output channels you want.

And finally in the I/O output page assign main to the channels you want.

Mike

[MikeShandParticipant]

I’d assume you would set the dante recording outputs to be direct out. You can set the direct out takeoff point GLOBALLY (not per channel) There is a “dir out src” popup at the bottom of the routing screen on any input channel.

FOH always takes post delay output.

Auxes can be set individually. On the routing tab of the aux processing there is a drop down which can select post
pre-amp
HPF
Gate
Ins Ret
PEQ
Comp
Delay

Hope this helps.

[MikeShandParticipant]

Anything relevant in the error log?
Setup>utility>diagnostics

Sounds like a hardware issue to me, but just guessing.

[MikeShandParticipant]

No. Config changes are saved with shows, but not with scenes obviously. So if you recall an old show it will replace the config changes made to the current show.

Hope that is what you meant.

[MikeShandParticipant]

Reminds me of this issue on the gld editor. I still haven’t checked whether it also happens on the gld itself.

There is something peculiar about the way scene names are handled in general.

14 char scene names in embedded recall

Mike

[MikeShandParticipant]

Yes, that makes it follow channel mute, but does it follow DCA mute? It doesn’t on the GLD. AS far as I know there is no way to do this on the GLD, and I suspect, the QU.

[MikeShandParticipant]

Hmmm. It doesn’t seem to allow me to copy the mix assignments from LR (at least not in the Editor… haven’t yet tried yet on the actual GLD). Is this expected? I can copy from Aux, Grp and Mtx, and even DCA, but can then only paste into the same type of channel. But I can’t copy from LR, all it offers there is reset. I guess this all makes sense, but it means your option 3 doesn’t work.

[MikeShandParticipant]

Thanks, as I thought. I hadn’t considered (2), but I don’t think it works in my case, nor had I thought of copying the LR mix. That might be a time saver.

[MikeShandParticipant]

Hi Nicola,

Thanks very much. That is very good hear.

Mike

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