[ChrisParticipant]

I don’t know what the throughput requirements are for the apps in question (I’m sure throughput requirements increased with the release of RTA) and I have used the Amplifi setup with multiple mesh points without issue but it very well could be an issue with the way the network is configured. Since you are close to the mesh points, I would first check that you are using the 5G connection as opposed to 2.4G. Second, I would remove all unnecessary apps on the iPad and disable all unnecessary services. Check out the Youtube channel “Payette Forward”. As a nuclear option you could factory reset the iPad and then go back and disable services.

Only other thing I can think of is maybe changing the password on your network just in case???

[ChrisParticipant]

I know sound engineers have different philosophies when it comes to methodology, but here is how I handle my talkback situation. I have a good ‘ole SM58 connected to an actual channel. I do this so I can have the capability to talk in the house if needed and all of the versatility that comes with that as I can control that completely separately. I have an AUX dedicated for Talkback and apply that AUX to my main Talkback group. In the Talkback settings I assign the mic in the Source Select section. That gives me the capability to utilize the talk button on the console. I send that AUX to our ME-1’s. It don’t give the mic volume in the AUX as the talkback has a separate source preamp and the audio gets sent to the AUX regardless. I set my gain in the source select settings, and I use the a limiter on the AUX to keep me from getting too loud. I wouldn’t use compression as it could raise the noise floor in their ears and we really don’t want that. Yes, it technically is a waste of an AUX, but I prefer this setup for versatility.

Yes, I cannot talkback to individuals but it is really rare that I need to firstly, and secondly, I have an MD that handles all of my issues/requests on stage. He is the ultimate authority on stage and we have a great relationship where he will prioritize these requests. He handles stage, I handle the house. It minimizes disruptions and I actually get quicker responses. Again, this is more of a philosophy and may not apply to all situations, but that is just my 2 cents.

[ChrisParticipant]

I have a dante card that only supports 48k installed in my dlive system and it works without having to change any configs. Maybe avantis works the same?

[ChrisParticipant]

To start with, all of the addresses you listed are within the same network if you are using a proper class A private network. All devices SHOULD see each other if your IP addressing is properly set. However, don’t fall into the trap of using a class C network mask (which most home/office consumers are used to 192.168.1.x) which is 255.255.255.0. For a proper class A network, which you are using (10.x.x.x) the network mask is 255.0.0.0. If you are experiencing any issues, I would check to make sure that all devices are using a proper mask. Especially if your Ipads need to be on a specific IP address.

[ChrisParticipant]

Did you follow the guidance below?

If you are using Intel® UHD graphic adapters, please follow the instructions in this article to make sure you have the correct driver version installed.

Being that you are using a NUC that probably applies to you.

We have had issues sometimes on start up where SoundGrid will change the default network adapter and we are sitting there for 5 minutes wondering why we don’t have sound, but we have not experienced drop outs yet.

[ChrisParticipant]

I’m just running an off the shelf Netgear NightHawk. For security reasons, and because I didn’t want all my sound devices accessible to the whole church campus, I have it isolated from the church’s network. It’s actually fairly easy to do. You can plug the “internet” port of the router into the switch we have here in the sound booth. Most modern routers will auto detect this type of connection. I run my own SSID locked down to only those who I want access to it and you will still get an internet connection. The only thing that the church network sees is the router. Just make sure that the switch ports on your router don’t connect back to the church network, or you will create a broadcast storm and take the network down.

[ChrisParticipant]

I verified the hardware ID from the mac addresses are the same across the board 00:0E:DD. Joe, in your description about how Shure may have changed the hardware ID (or the OUI), you are showing a difference, but the hardware ID is the first three octets. The last three are part of the network device identifier. Each device would have a unique ID in the last 3 octets. IMHO, I can’t see a reason why Shure or A&H would be honing in on the first 3 octets of the OUI and the first octet of the device identifier.

[ChrisParticipant]

I can confirm that I have this exact same problem. We originally had 4 QLXD4 units and they were detected without issue. We purchased them >6 months ago. We ended up adding 7 more QLXD4’s a few weeks ago and none of them are detected by the DM48. I have verified that all devices are on the same subnet and configured the same. The router is assigning DHCP and can see the devices from that aspect. I have an iMac connected to the same subnet as well and it can see all of the devices and I actually configured them through WWB from this iMac. WWB can see all the devices without issue.

[ChrisParticipant]

I re-read that realized that last sentence sounded really sassy. I’m not implying you are angry. Many folks have expressed frustrations over this.

[ChrisParticipant]

Not trying to sound negative but we waited 5+ years to get rta on peq for dlive…

You got 4+ years to go…

Just kidding…

or am I?

In all seriousness, I thought I read somewhere that one of the developers said that the dlive and avantis platforms, code wise, are similar so it shouldn’t take that long for Avantis to be updated. The fact that they just released a new update for Avantis is promising. As others have stated though, I wouldn’t expect anything any time soon. I mean, you bought the Avantis without those features, so its really unfair to be angry about not getting a free gift you haven’t been told you would get…

[ChrisParticipant]

One last question to the group is how to fine-tune settings. I know that I don’t need all channels to match perfectly, but sometimes when I am sweeping frequency I land on 2.1K or 2.5K. Sonically I know that they are just about the same thing, but I like my channels to match. Is there a way to fine-tune the knob?

I think I may know what you are talking about. Sometimes the encoder wheel, screen, or knobs don’t always register the same. I think you are referring to an OCD thing where you just want to see the numbers say the same thing. You may could run a calibration, or just save the EQ/Setting and restore it to the channel you want to match.

[ChrisParticipant]

I saw where someone answered your question in the new thread, but I think you do have a valid concern as the Avantis system will probably be supported longer than dlive. That is just the nature of when these devices were released. I don’t think that is an unreasonable expectation. I also don’t think that dlive’s EOL is anytime soon either. There is something to be said for it being a more mature platform.

[ChrisParticipant]

One more note, I looked at the Avantis and I do not see the Shure/Sennheiser control. Honestly, I do use it on the dlive, but to me… its not something I look at on a regular basis. I have ten devices that can use that capability, but the screens where the information would be most useful for me doesn’t have any of the information gathered from the remote control. I would be nice if there was a battery display on the processing screens, but AFAIK, it is only in the preamp tab and on the bank overview. Not that useful IMHO. It is nice to adjust the gain on the receivers on the fly, but I find it more useful to use the Wireless Workbench on a separate computer I have by the console. With that, I can see all devices, signal levels, and battery status on one screen. This is just me as YMMV.

[ChrisParticipant]

For what its worth, I currently run a S5000 with a DM48 for FoH and the Avantis for broadcast.

The large format really fits the FoH considering the number of channels that we run (50+). Not all of those channels get translated to the broadcast so the smaller format of the Avantis fits perfectly. We connect the two systems via the tie lines function of the dlive and a gigace card. I also run a SQ7 in another building on campus.

I have to say, I really dislike the SQ series. We had the bug/issue with the channel that goes crazy all on its own, so that was a pain to have to swap out a brand new board. The format compared to the dlive and Avantis is vastly different and even though I regularly use all three systems, it takes me the longest to adjust to the SQ due to the vast differences in workflow. I really like the dlive system and I love the Avantis. Of all three systems, I can make the adjustments I need to the quickest on the Avantis, but the dlive and Avantis are very similar and most of the features look and act identical (minus the features added in the 1.9 update. see below).

Based on the info given, I personally would go with the 2x Avantis. Setup would be much more simple. Connecting the systems together would be more simple. Not to mention just cheaper overall. You could invest the additional money into expanding the system via Dante or Waves. I think the biggest advantage besides cost is that since you mentioned that you are the worship leader I imagine you will have volunteers to run the system. With the continuity in workflows, training volunteers would be easier for them and yourself.

With the 1.9 update, they did add quite a few compelling features to the dlive (like real time RTA), but I anticipate that those features will come to the Avantis eventually.

[ChrisParticipant]

I would like to second the suggestion of using a bus to add more compression to the signal chain. You then get even more options with the bus like yet another inset point(!), the really nice bus compressor and the 12 band eq for even more fine tuning. Thank you firmware 1.9!

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