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  • #91287
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    Rupert
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    I currently have a bunch of channels routing to groups then going to the mains (Kick, Toms, Cymbals, etc…) is there any want to route groups to groups? So all my individual drum groups would go to ONE drum group then from the one DRUM group to the mains?

    #91291
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    Steffen R
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    no Grp to grp
    this would add latency what is not wanted here

    #91293
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    Wolfgang
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    You could use a matrix for that.
    This matrix you simply bring back into an input channel and send it directly to the Mains.
    This gives you a lot of possibilities for equalization and dynamics.

    #91295
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    Steffen R
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    never seen that bevor… interesting…
    this makes some weird things possible

    you can use the ext. in of a group to feed the group with another group output
    but this will destroy the phase coherency

    #91298
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    Rupert
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    The group to group = latency, makes sense.

    The option that Wolfgang suggested would that cause any latency? How would I do this?

    Would I route all my groups to the matrix first?

    Also are there any plans to accommodate group to group in future updates?

    #91299
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    Steffen R
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    maybe they will implement it

    but you can send the group out to a different group with the External In feature of mixes

    and of course it will add latency
    the matrix way suggested by @wolfgang is adding latency as well
    the signal is passing the complete path through the processing and reentries after that at the first stage…

    #91301
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    Rupert
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    Looks as though I might be able to achieve this by sending all the groups to an AUX then to a Matrix.

    #91312
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    Wolfgang
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    Mixing groups into a matrix and then into an input naturally means a bit more latency. But since all groups are sent into this matrix under the same conditions, the latency of all groups remains the same, so there are no comb filters.
    The only important thing is that the input signals are not routed to the sum again!

    Why do you want to go via a matrix and an aux?
    This is an additional bus and could mean additional latency.

    #91324
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    Zistan
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    @rupert group to group via channel IP – only 0.06ms/6 samples

    #91326
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    Rupert
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    @zistan so how would I go about doing this? If I have 5 groups (kick Gp, SnareGp, Toms Gp, Cymbals Gp,) and I want to bus them all to ONE Drums Gp how would I go about doing this using your method? Based on the others have posed its not possible unless I buss all these groups to a AUX then a matrix.

    #91328
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    Wolfgang
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    Based on the others have posed its not possible unless I buss all these groups to a AUX then a matrix.

    No, you misunderstood me.
    It is sufficient to send the subgroups into a matrix – and then send this matrix into a normal input.
    You can then simply treat this matrix as your master subgroup.
    An additional routing into an AUX is not necessary here.

    As Zisten writes, you can also get the groups back into an input channel one by one – and then send these inputs back into a new subgroup.
    of course this is also possible.

    In my opinion, the way via a matrix is more elegant, because only one input is needed.

    #91345
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    Zistan
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    @rupert, distance from snare to overheads is 20 times more than from snare to snare microphone. Do you align the phase between them? 😉 6 samples – is nothing, forget about them and work with pleasure. But you can always compensate for these delays, because this is done only once.

    #91348
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    Rupert
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    Thats great thanks @wolfgang and @zistan.

    #91919
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    Zistan
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    @rupert, sorry, my mistake. IP – group – IP – group – main – add + 0.15ms latency

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