PFL and AMM signal flow issues

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  • #99018
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    Carl N
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    Hi!

    There’s an old post about this in the troubleshooting section and it was suggested that one be created here also, but I can’t find one so I’m posting it myself.

    The AMM is great but it’s in the wrong point of the signal chain. When AMM is active I can’t PFL a channel that’s muted, and even when the channel is unmuted I can’t see any metering until the fader is up. This makes it almost completely impractical for TV work where I need to PFL mic’s before they go live. The only solutions I can see is to constantly add and remove mics from the automix just to PFL them, which is very clunky. Or double patch and gang every mic, which is even worse. Please change the AMM signal flow or at least make it configurable so we can meter and PFL mics easily.

    #99027
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    it sounds like you are using AFL in the inputs or your PFL source is set after the AMM
    set it to Post Preamp

    #99036
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    Europe
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    Doesn’t change the meter point though…..if a channel is assigned to an AMM there is no way of metering it.

    #99059
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    Carl N
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    @SteffenR PFL post preamp is not suitable as I need to eq the mic while I’m PFL’ing. I think the only complete solution to the issue is for the AMM point to be configurable in the signal chain. Open to other suggestions though.

    This is such a perfect little desk for smaller broadcast jobs but in its current state the AMM is near useless, which seems like such a waste of potential.

    #99078
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    This is such a perfect little desk for smaller broadcast jobs but in its current state the AMM is near useless, which seems like such a waste of potential.

    as the name implies it is an automated mixer… it affects the gain of the channel directly with an extra gain stage…

    So why do you need to change the EQ of the signals?
    This should be done before you turn on the AMM.

    #99107
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    Carl N
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    @SteffenR As I suggested earlier, constantly adding and removing mics from the automix just so I can PFL them is tedious and impractical. No respectable automix implementation works this way. PFLing a muted mic while it’s part of an automix is a task performed many times a day in a broadcast environment.

    #99109
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    Basically what I’m asking is to have the same options that were added to dLive, so the metering point and PFL point can be chosen specifically for AMM channels

    #99110
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    +1

    You can PFL a channel even when it is muted with the Mute key.
    It would seem logical to be able to PFL a channel when it has been muted by the AMM.

    I have been caught out by this a few times, thinking that the mic was not working.

    #99225
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    DanielK
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    +1

    I have the same issue when in theatre/musical/play actors are off stage. I want to check if their wireless mic is working before they join the scene

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