[jhb1982Participant]

Sorry Steffen I think you’re right.

So Input AFL on = AFL, Input AFL off = PFL per standard behaviour, AFL is post channel fader/pan and mute. I guess what I am observing is the QU putting in 6.02 dB attenutation for constant loudness/panning law into a stereo (main LR) mix?

[jhb1982Participant]

I initially thought it might be something to do with that but it’s the same for stereo sources (e.g. st1).

[jhb1982Participant]

Ok, so enabling input AFL gives me the expected reading, it’s when input AFL is turned off that it’s louder (I think probably by 6 dB not 3 – bit hard to tell…)

Regardless, surely input on or off should be the when the channel fader and master fader are unity?! Must be missing something obvious…

[jhb1982Participant]

Calibration makes no difference. I also verified the channel and main faders are at unity from the display and I tried a hard reset in case of any system funnies. Same behaviour.

[jhb1982Participant]

Tried briefly yesterday using the beta version and didn’t experience any issues.

Will let you know how it goes with more extensive use but for now it looks to be resolved, thanks! 🙂

[jhb1982Participant]

I find that adding a bit of reverb to the iem mix here and there makes a big difference to an otherwise fairly sterile experience, especially in very dry rooms and where there aren’t many ambient mics.

Understand re. Post fade but obviously that doesn’t help w.r.t. mix outs.

No I don’t fiddle much with the verb during gigs, but general levels most certainly due to different acoustics, band member placement, moods of musicians on the day etc which can also necessitate rebalancing of fx.

I appreciate people are usually only trying to help, but perhaps I should have just raised the issue that I find the wet/dry control far too granular 🙂

I can see this being a general issue for other applications of insert fx.

[jhb1982Participant]

Unfortunately I won’t get the chance for the next couple of weeks but will let you know if it works for me.

In the meantime I’d be interested if it solves it for others.

Anecdotally, I don’t think it affected my android phone, just my tablet, so I wonder if the root cause is tied to hardware, maybe WiFi chipset or fw etc?

[jhb1982Participant]

Well since you keep pushing the point… I want to use insert fx precisly because I don’t want to have to faff with return levels. As I run iems it means balancing multiple mixes that have different levels for that source. Plus I cannot afford to lose another mix channel just to run another return (fx 1 and 2 are already used up).

It’s beside the point though. Insert fx is perfect for what I want but the wet dry control is not fit for purpose as far as I can see. I’m surprised no one else has found this, or perhaps that 80s vibe is fashionable at the mo!

[jhb1982Participant]

Because I want to use an insert fx.

[jhb1982Participant]

Great write-up and resonates a lot with my experience. My only advice is to go easy on compressing vocals and other mics/sources susceptible to feedback. It’s easy to get carried away when you have all that processing power available on every channel and you can quickly run into issues!

That’s nothing new, you probably already knew it and it’s just good mixing practice for live engineers especially in certain venues, but it’s an easy trap to fall into when going from a more basic setup like I did.

Anyway, enjoy your QU it’s an awesome bit of kit!

[jhb1982Participant]

I think I grasp what you are suggesting. I am in exactly the same position being a drummer that also engineers the foh and uses iems and would like to do the same – essentially ‘properly’ route a mix to the headphone output.

The main issue with pfl or afl of a mix is the onboard meter then displays the pfl/afl level. I don’t want it to do that, I want it to carry on metering the main outs to the pa.

The issue with using, say, mix 9-10 for the pa, well, it’s kind of counter intuitive and, believe me, you want to avoid anything evenly vaguely confusing when trying to play drums reasonably well whilst making on the fly foh changes and mixing 5 band member’s iems including your own!

I would love a headphone setup page that allows you to ‘hard wire’ it to mixes (1-10) or main L/R (including a mono switch for channels 1-4 to tie L and R together). Then I can ditch the crappy headphone amp I use for my own iems.

[jhb1982Participant]

The issue is pretty repeatable for me. If there’s any debugging I could do to try and trap the root cause I’d be happy to help dave. I’m pretty anxious to resolve this.

[jhb1982Participant]

Same here. QU16 running 1.9, although it also happened on the previous fw. Tablet is a Lenovo tab 2 a10.

[jhb1982Participant]

Same issue here – the app connects for about 6 seconds then says it lost connection and asks to reconnect or ignore. Selecting reconnect, everything works fine before the message appears again after about 6 seconds (etc.)

Workaround is to select ignore, but this results in 1-way comms as highlighted above and I’m also not convinced it’s working reliably – faders etc. seem to work ok, but I’m fairly sure I had some issues with pre-amp gain changes/phantom power not being sent/received properly.

The iPad app works without a glitch, so wifi to the mixer is fine.

No password on mine either. Android tab is up to date. Mixer and app at latest SW/FW.

[jhb1982Participant]

Unfortunately a lot of people like the set and forget nature of auto updating so disabling it altogether is regressive…

Perhaps someone from a&h can confirm one way or another to put this one to bed.

It’s a good point about working with desks owned by other people.

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