QU-16 output mix5-6 to the main (L/R)

[Eddy]

Our church bought a QU-16 as a component of a complete audio setup including resident powerpamps an speakers. Everything is hardwired. The signal the audience hears (this is the main mix L/R) through the main speakers is also broadcasted online. To use the resident speakers and the audio stream the L/R mix on de QU-16 should be used.

One of the tenants that use the QU-16 are not too happy about the resident speakers so they connect their own amps and speakers to the stageblock and they use mix5/6. It works fine locally but now there is no online stream. The problem can be solved by sending the mix5/6 output to their speakers but also patch mix5/6 to the main mix (L/R). By turning off the resident poweramps the signal will still be broadcasted but not amplified through the resident speakers.

The question is how to patch the output of mix5/6 as input to the main mix(L/R) on the QU-16?

Hopefully there is somebody on this platform who can help us solving this!

With kind regards,
Eddy.

[Giga]

I don’t get it; why not use mains for foh and the outputs for mix 5/6 for broadcast ?

Giga

[Eddy]

Hello Giga, thanks for responding! You are totally right and if I would have installed the entire setup myself I would have done it like that. But the PA system is installed by a third party and I am not allowed to change it.

In this setup the QU-16 is used for the band only. The main output from the qu-16 is connected to a xilica fr1 and through the xilica the signal from the QU-16 is routed to the (amplifiers for the) resident speakers as well as the broadcasting device. The xilica has no more inputs free and connecting the qu-16 directly to the broadcasting device is not an option.

Other sound sources (PC-audio, beltpack/headset, wireless mic, fixed mic for speech and two mics that record the room reverb, organ and background sounds) are directly connected to the xilica inputs and the settings for those sources are set by the engineers that installed the system and now fixed. From the xilica the total of all these sources are distributed to the speakers, an induction loop for hearing devices and the broadcasting device.

The only solution I can think of, given this particular situation, is routing the output from mix 5/6 to the L/R so it goes to the xilica and from there to broadcasting. The question is how to do that in the QU-16?

With kind regards,
Eddy.

[MarkPAman]

How about running the the broadcast mix from the Alt Out sockets of the Qu.

That way it can be switched between L&R or 5&6 (or something else) as needed. Added bonus – it then has its own volume control too.

[Giga]

Well, that’s a fine mess then ! I feel sorry for you….

What’s a Xilica ?

Giga

[Mike C]

Without some external patching out and back into the mixer mix 5-6 can no be sent directly to the LR main outputs.

The Qu16 does not have audio groups or matrix mixes but there are still ways to what you
want to do.

If you have an used mix set that as post fade bring up all the channel send levels to
the same setting and use that mix to feed the live stream.

You can send mix 5-6 to the ALT OUT and use those outputs to send to the live stream.

All told it sounds like you have had too many hands fiddling with your system configuration and making it more complicated than needed.

I would look at getting a “qualified” third party opinion in to look over the system.

[Eddy]

Hello Giga, thanks for your compassion!! This is a xilica: https://xilica.com/solaro/.

[Eddy]

Hello MarkPAman, thanks for this one. I tried it and it works fine. Only thing is this would mean that the users have to change the connections (move it from main out to alt out). We are looking for a solution where this is not necessary. So it is a working solution, but we will have to search some more.

[Eddy]

Hello Mike C, it is like you said, way too complicated. It is a pitty I arrived here only short ago, they could have saved themselves a lot of money by keeping it simpler.
Today I have found a working solution. The main mix is still used (L/R) but in the digisnake settings I set outputs 7 and 8 to main L/R. Now they can connect their own speakers to these outputs to play the main mix.
The main output from the qu-16 is still used and connected to the resident speakers and the broadcasting device. By muting the resident speakers now the sound from the QU16 is heard through the temporary speakers and still being broadcasted.
It is not the solution I was looking for, but it works well enough.
Thanks for spending time on my question!
Eddy.

[Mike C]

I didn’t realize you had a stage box, that does give you more output options.

I my earlier post I meant to say “un-used” mix.

“If you have an used mix set that as post fade bring up all the channel send levels to
the same setting and use that mix to feed the live stream.”

I would sill look at setting up a dedicated mix for the live stream feed, even a post
fade mix give you the option to balance the mix a little better for live stream.

Have fun!!!

[Giga]

Aha, so basically it’s a fancy way of combining/controlling all audio/video/media from one device ? Kinda figures that they’ve locked the settings then, it’s probably asking for lost of trouble if anyone could change them at will.

Still, it doesn’t show much confidence in the soundcrew that in the process they took away a lot of control they should have.

As Mike said: a second opinion by someone who is more “practicality inclined” would be nice.

Good luck with it !

Giga

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