Full Mix out control

[lundlin]

I need my main LR faders to fully control my mix out. I switched all channels to POST fade, but that only gives partial control. it gives relative control, not full. I’m looking for a way to make it so that when i change channel 5 from 0db to -10 db for channel 5 in my mix out to also change from exactly 0db to -10db. not a -10db change from wherever it was previously.
Not sure why allen & heath chose to design mix outs this way

[lundlin]

I need my main LR faders to fully control my mix out. I switched all channels to POST fade, but that only gives partial control. it gives relative control, not full. I’m looking for a way to make it so that when i change channel 5 from 0db to -10 db for channel 5 in my mix out to also change from exactly 0db to -10db. not a -10db change from wherever it was previously.
Not sure why allen & heath chose to design mix outs this way

[SQuser]

Maybe this is your first contact with a digital mixer?
If yes, so I’m afraid you just haven’t understood the basic principle yet.
If you move your “main LR fader” to -10dB and your 2nd mix (“mix out”) is ​​post fader, you will also get -10dB there, even though this fader is set to 0dB.
That’s also absolutely correct, because if the fader of the “mix out” were also moved to -10dB, you would have a level of -20dB there.
But that’s the case with every console – not just A&H.
Or did you mean something completely different?

[Brian]

First off, when you say your “Main LR” faders, what are you referring to? The individual channel faders or the actual Master/Main L/R fader?

Regardless, my only guess is that you don’t understand the importance of having the ability to set a channel’s aux/buss send levels independently of the other send levels. Even in a post fader aux mix, you want the ability to be able to adjust the individual aux/buss outputs of the channel in relationship to how much is being sent to the Main L/R and the other buss sends.

Long story short, if you want the individual inputs to send their signal to all the aux/buss sends at “unity”, then you need to set all of the input send levels at unity for every aux/buss output. It’s as simple as that. After doing that, every aux/buss send level will reflect the actual fader position of an input. If it’s -3.4db in the master LR send, it will be -3.4db on every aux/buss send as well. So it’s not that A&H does things “weird”, it’s just that you haven’t set the board up to match your desires/goals for the aux/buss sends.

On the other hand, if your kick drum needs to be +5db in aux 1 while the kick drum needs to be at unity for all the other buss sends, you can do this by setting the send level of the kick drum on aux 1 to be +5db, and leaving the buss send levels for all the other aux sends at unity….. If your Aux 3 send level needs to be +10db than the overall LR send level, you can do this….. If the audience mic shouldn’t be sent to aux 1&2, but it should be sent to aux 3&4, you can do this….. When you push the kick drum input fader (while mixing MainLR and not an aux send) up +10db, it is going to change all of the buss sends by +10db relatively. This means the kick volume on aux 1 is still 5db louder than the other aux sends, and Aux 3 is still 10db louder than the MainLR mix, and the audience mics still aren’t in aux 1&2 but are in aux 3&4. This is exactly how you would want a post-fader mix to work. You set the relative output levels of each input for each aux send individually, and then any fader movements will be reflected in each aux send.

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