Busses

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  • #23164
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    PaulBag101
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    Hey Quick Question.
    We recent upgraded our FX card to allow us use of 8 FX however we ran out Busses at 4 FX editor.
    Is there a way to increase our Buss count as we need the use of all busses as is.

    Thanks

    PaulBag
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    #30657
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    gilparente
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    Quick answer is no.
    Reduce your number of other busses to free up for FX.
    One of the things i find on user consoles is the miss use of busses:
    Stereo matrix where mono would work
    Stereo groups where mono would work
    Use of groups where DCAs would suffice.
    Etc….

    Gil Parente
    Design & Integration
    Entertainment Arts, Inc.
    iLive 176, T112
    iDR48 , iDR16, iDR10
    Multiple iPads
    Dante
    Etc..

    #30670
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    teknik99
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    32 bus architecture is fixed.

    The flexibilty of Ilive means these buses are fully configurabe in almost any way you want but 32 is 32.

    I agree with Gil the number of time i see misconfigured surfaces is astounding one of the biggies I see is multplie mono / steroe matricies configured but no use for or of them

    The beauty of Ilive is you always get the 32 buses no matter what size rack you purchase so you get the full enchiladda at entry level.

    I dont know what you are doing that requires more than 32 buses but it must one impressive setup if you truly need this many buses.

    Cheers

    #30673
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    sraymond
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    Any effects you could insert in a channel(s) or Group, etc.?

    Scott

    iDR 32
    iDR D-Out
    MMO
    Lenova T61, M90, iPad2

    #30674
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    Koopdaddy
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    quote:


    Originally posted by gilparente

    Quick answer is no.
    Reduce your number of other busses to free up for FX.
    One of the things i find on user consoles is the miss use of busses:
    Stereo matrix where mono would work
    Stereo groups where mono would work
    Use of groups where DCAs would suffice.
    Etc….

    Gil Parente
    Design & Integration
    Entertainment Arts, Inc.
    iLive 176, T112
    iDR48 , iDR16, iDR10
    Multiple iPads
    Dante
    Etc..


    Perhaps they are like me, simply dont know. I am just learning myself so I dont fully understand yet how matrix’s work and what you mean by busses (in the context of digital mixers!). Perhaps you know of a website or something that explains it clearly for the novice user or can explain yourself?

    Thanks,
    Jared

    #30677
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    dnxmirrorsounds
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    Hi Jarad,

    I don’t know your background so I hope this helps to explain the bussing concept.

    if you think circuitry, then imagine there are 32 wires connecting each IP channel to the master section. Those 32 lines can be set up to go to Aux outputs, FX channels, or Sub-groups. Matrices are special and I will return to them. Interestingly, as FX channels come back from the FX into dedicated FX channels, the second half of the wires you use to feed the FX can be used for Matrices as a matrix ‘wire’ starts at the master section. The other Busses go all the way from IP to output so can’t be split.

    The easiest way to get used to this is to play with the editor offline and see what happens to the total buss tally when you change the various allocations.

    As to how you can use them, its not that hard if you have multiple foldback wedges, multiple IEM packs, FX, Matrices for multiple speaker outputs, including cry room, OB mix, feed to the production talkback system Sub-group for vocals…

    Its only in the last few months that we have been able to remove physical foldback as the IEM becomes normal that we are starting to reclaim busses (we can have 6 bus FX instead of 4 now :)).

    I hope this helps.

    Dnx

    Duncan Whitcombe
    @Dnxmirrorsounds
    Mirror Sounds & metrochurch
    Perth, Australia
    T112, iDR48x2
    http://www.mirrorsounds.com.au
    http://www.metrochurch.org.au

    #30685
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    gilparente
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    Hi Jared,

    I usually teach busses using a few different analogies.
    In a nutshell, busses are what lets you combine (mix) signals together. In the case of the ilive, you have a possibility of 32 combinations/mixes/busses. The destination of these busses determines what “type” of busses we call them.
    LR buss goes to the Main speakers – so we call it the Main Busses
    FX busses feed FX units
    AUX/Monitor busses feed monitor wedges or etc.
    SOLO (PFL-AFL) feeds your headphones and/or wedge.
    Matrix feeds extra outputs
    Group busses are for you to combine signals before you send them elsewhere.

    I usually explained to my students as a school buss that gathers the kids to take them to the destination.
    The other analogy is comparing to a water duct syetem, but it is actually easier to explain with a white board.. :-)

    Hopefully this helps.

    Gil Parente
    Design & Integration
    Entertainment Arts, Inc.
    iLive 176, T112
    iDR48 , iDR16, iDR10
    Multiple iPads
    Dante
    Etc..

    #30698
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    Koopdaddy
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    Thanks Gil and Duncan.

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