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I had a week’s tour with (4) PL-10’s. The PL-6’s were out because the faders are not motorized and thus do not always represent the real mix.

The musicians loved them. I let them control channel to aux levels and certain group to aux levels. This particular band would not step back from the remotes when on the road with an iLive for monitors. The MD had the chance to feature certain instrumental parts while concentrating on playing while I was able to concentrate on the singers’ mixes.

Regarding the iPhone app I think no-one can predict how long Apple will take to approve it. We will see.

Christian Tepfer
Hamburg, Germany

[simonstpauliParticipant]

You can use the talkback section, route the talkback input to an unused aux (FOH console) and patch it to an input (MON console).

Christian Tepfer
Hamburg, Germany

[simonstpauliParticipant]

I would love to see 2 different apps:

1 engineer app with some mixing and channel tweaking options
1 stage musician app for just mixing.

Christian Tepfer
Hamburg, Germany

[simonstpauliParticipant]

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Originally posted by Wolfgang

I need a Undo-Scene.

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Like “undo that last song the band did just play?”. Or even the whole night

Seriously, I would like to have that kind of safety belt, too. Like the last state of the desk just before a scene was recalled.

Christian Tepfer
Hamburg, Germany

[simonstpauliParticipant]

I’ve used a T80/iDR32 for quite some time. I’m all happy (with a few complaints like insufficient EQ facilities for speech reinforcement, I hope there will be an insert PEQ soon).
For band wirk it’s great, took the small package out on a support tour, loved the Cat5-multicore, the light weight surface and the features. Will take a T112 on a club-tour, FOH and 11 mixes of monitor with PL remotes for the band. It’s on my “want to have on a gig” list.

Christian Tepfer
Hamburg, Germany

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Originally posted by bucks

Hi Dave

R.e Patching in editor, have you tried the drag and drop mode ? Just press I/O button under Setup Mode, click and hold on the I/P XLR you want to patch, and drag it to an input channel, then release.

Also works for output pacthing, just drag the o/p channel to an xlr.

Its a lot faster than setting each one up manually.

Andy
A&H

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I missed that one, sounds good. (As I have to change my 30 channels dual patch into a 32 channel dual patch)

Christian Tepfer
Hamburg, Germany

[simonstpauliParticipant]

Still wanted:

– enhanced EQ, as a FX unit is fine, 6 band parametric with high Q, please.

– easy patching in the editor, think PM5D patch matrix

Christian Tepfer
Hamburg, Germany

[simonstpauliParticipant]

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Originally posted by dschmoldt

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Originally posted by Stix

The magic screen is the Preamp screen for each DSP channel. hit select on the second channel you want to use, go to the preamp widow, assign to the same input (in your example C1/C2), colour & name as you like. Don’t assign the second channel to the main mix and that should do the trick for you.

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Thanks Richard. I tried that, and can bring Inputs 57/58 to that second fader. But it’s a locked mirror of the other 57/58. Mirrored routing and fader position. So basically the exact same fader to two strips.

C1/C2 are linked to Inputs 57/58. I want to ALSO link C1/C2 to inputs 63/64. I *think* that would allow me to have independent routing and fader levels. But I can’t seem to find the “patch panel” that joins C1/C2 to specific inputs.

David Schmoldt

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Start thinking from the channel, not from the input.

So go to channel 63/64, in the preamp section you can select the input source.

You now have inputs 57/58 and 63/64 fed by the same physical inputs. The channels are independent (expect gain, pad and phantom power, as that are digitally controlled analog parameters). You can route them differently and use different channel processing.

Bringing up inputs (in that case 57/58) to different faders does indeed not change the channel properties. You could have channels 57/58 all over the desk on every fader and all these faders would move when you move one of them. Think of a surface fader (and adjectant strip) as an alias to a channel.

Christian Tepfer
Hamburg, Germany

[simonstpauliParticipant]

We use a Fiberfox (longest fiber cable: 150m) with good results. Converters are Allied Telesyn. I think it is this one: https://www.alliedtelesis.com/products/detail.aspx?pid=4&lid=1
Of course it costs some money but has the advantage of being able to carry video signals or a second network over the same fiber.

Christian Tepfer
Hamburg, Germany

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Of course Waves said they have no latency but this is only part of the story because the whole signal chain counts.

Let’s work on s/p dif inserts only for the moment.
Can you try to set the Apogee to 48kHz, 32 samples latency?

Channel insert latency is severe when used on analog I/O, when you use an insert on bass DI and none on bass mic the result is bad. The same goes for sources present on more than one channel, snare drum etc.

Christian Tepfer
Hamburg, Germany

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Oscar, did you use digital inserts?

All analog inserts add DA/AD latency twice (desk-WaveRack DA/AD, WaveRack-desk DA/AD, several milliseconds). So this may be only usable for a master insert when you have to delay the PA anyway.

In every way you get additional system (host computer system WaveRack itself) and plugin-latency. In the case of Waves plugins there is a chart here:
https://www.wavesupport.net/content.aspx?id=2213

When having some channels / channel groups on insert and others not you may have to compensate for the latency on the insert in order to avoid combing and/or delay effects in the mix.

Christian Tepfer
Hamburg, Germany

[simonstpauliParticipant]

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Originally posted by selfmade

i would prefer a kind of matrix-editor for patching to make it simple.

greetings from hamburg

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That or a multiple channels patch, like in the surface fader assignment.

greetings from hamburg, too

Christian Tepfer
Hamburg, Germany

[simonstpauliParticipant]

martijn, I am very interested in the bracket. Fitting the PL remotes on mic stands is much preferred.

Christian Tepfer
Hamburg, Germany

[simonstpauliParticipant]

Okay, I will have to get one PL10 in advance, good thing to think of.

Thank you for the insights.

Christian Tepfer
Hamburg, Germany

[simonstpauliParticipant]

Thanks, Graham.

So we stick to the PL10’s. As we try this concept first, I don’t want to case the remotes from the beginning.
Are there any ways to put them on a music or microphone stand?

Christian Tepfer
Hamburg, Germany

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