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  • #115234
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    Are these still available?

    #115233
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    You should be able to patch the Card ports that you want to your split card, say 65-128, or have it change the 1-64 with a scene fire, and then have MON set this up as their VSC source. That’s how we did it on my last tour where FOH had the only Waves card for tracking.

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    +1

    #111599
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    This should be able to be changed by using your “Preamp on Surface” settings. Our MON engineer runs 90% of our inputs without preamp on surface and Trim is his default (with GC and GS on).

    #111519
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    Could you program a midi signal to trigger a scene change that sets your ABCD? Or is that not a valid workaround?

    #111518
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    +1, but also just a re-request for a separate warning for a true clip versus the “within 5dB peak” or even better, separate clip margins that are defined by the user for input channels versus busses/matrices etc. This desk likes running hot!

    #111442
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    I am mainly asking if there is a way (or any ideas) to fix this issue, as it could cause newer or inexperienced engineers to unknowingly clip an insert mid show while operating within an otherwise “safe” gain structure.

    I don’t know of any dedicated line level IO cards for DX32 or similar at this point, and I suspect the Prime IO cards would have the same issue. Of course I could run everything over AES (or another multichannel standard) to a converter elsewhere that does all the analog bits and just sends back digital signals, but that’s also a large additional expense without even considering the AES IO that needs to be added with card slots or a DX32.

    #111439
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    Agreed on inserting DEEP or NEQ processing on any insert – I route my mono “squax box” matrix back to an ext. input on an input channel solely to gain gate/expander functionality on that bus. I especially like DTE for this task. (I sidechain this to my PA LR matrix with HPF, allowing the level of my talkbacks and such to rise and fall with the system and avoid any choice comments from being heard by the audience in my general vicinity)

    I would really love to be able to load a few EQ models for group processing such as a Pultec style EQ. The lack of BW control on shelves feels a bit limiting on the stock PEQ and a different EQ flavor would allow for much more freedom.

    #111202
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    @tpaulding Plus, even though the DCA’s are non-processing, “not a real signal path”, it would be nice to see some use of the audio meter above them to ensure signal is passing through channels assigned to said DCA!

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    Hi Nicola,
    After much testing and follow up discussions with Mike, we have determined and isolated the issue I was experiencing. I will create a feature request thread if you would like and elaborate further. The basics of the findings (tested with Audio Precision analyzer) are as follows:

    Surface Inputs clip @ +18dBu
    Surface Outputs clip @ +23dBu (+22.8 as tested)

    Tie Line from Input port to Output port measures +5dBu of gain.

    “Insert” assigned to Analogue measures ~0 dB of gain. I cannot seem to figure out what the digital setting does when assigned to analog surface ports.

    This leads to the problem experienced – there is no gain across an insert, such as an XLR loop in this case, however when outputs are driven above +18dBu output, they will inevitably clip the insert return. This creates problems where a mixbus may not be clipping anywhere in a signal chain, however by assigning an insert, it immediately clips. I have set the limiter section of my Stereo Buss processing to +18dBu to ensure that this does not happen, however this is not an ideal situation.

    Ideally, it would be great for the output ports to “recalibrate” when assigned to an insert path, meaning that now 0dBFS is +18dBu to ensure that input and output have the same clip point.

    Thank you!

    #111188
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    Can you do this with a patchbay/IO library? I haven’t tried it yet with our supermadi card, otherwise you could patch your FOH to channel DO’s rather than directly from ports, then when you fire your ABCD change, theirs should follow.

    #111187
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    +1

    #109888
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    Hi Nicola,
    Thanks for the quick reply! While I don’t think I have any scenes that recall surface socket offset, unassigning and reassigning the insert has restored normal functionality when placing an XLR loopback in and out of circuit.

    As a follow up question – it does still seem the clip points change when the analog loop is in versus out – a 1kHz tone from internal SigGen clips internally at +18dB and looks/sounds clean at +17dB. When the insert is engaged, the loop now seems to clip at + 14dB(clean at +13). Is this normal operation and performance given the DAC and ADC loop?

    Thanks,
    Parker

    #109851
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    +1

    #106737
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    +1

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