[LBETParticipant]

Nicola is right. IF you want to have a musician on stage control their aux monitor mix the GLD OneMix is the right application to use. It’s a bit unfortunate it ONLY runs on iOS or OSX but as you can live with that constraint, each device can be assigned to a specific aux.

Keep in mind that this has to be done by signing into the One Mix app using the ADMIN profile, setting up the device for the Aux you wish your user to control, setting up the layers with the instruments they would like to control and then signing out again.

Once done, the musician can sign in using their non admin account and start setting levels.

Be advised that there is almost no help on how to use the app. (poo poo).

Only audio engineers and trusted volunteer should use the GLD Remote app. Things can go very wrong very fast otherwise.

[LBETParticipant]

You could also run a Dante split to use a 48k monitor board.

Thanks Scott, wouldn’t that require a second Dante card in the Avantis?

‘Can’t even be used as a monitor mixer unless you drop down to 48K.’

Use a passive split to feed both desks I/O boxes, then you get 96k on the Avantis, 48k on the GLD and a bit of redundancy to boot (I’ve never quite understood the all egg’s in the one basket approach having a digital split, more so with I/O that uses redundant networking too.. not that Avantis does but I digress).

Out of interest why has your design engineer gone Avantis if you have a perfectly usable GLD?

Hey Matt, great questions. Currently we are maxed out on input channels on the GLD. We require more channels for acoustic and rhythm guitar, percussion, leslie micing and for additional keyboards as needed. The Avantis will give us this.

Additional, the hope/perception is we will be more future proof with Avantis than the currently discontinued GLD.

Lastly, by passive audio split are you talking about something like this?

[LBETParticipant]

Right then. The CSPO in me is yelling the following user epics;

UE-1 As an Avantis user/sound engineer I can copy channel strips, buss’ and all other settings from one mix to any channel on another using either the offline editor or on the console itself so that I don’t have to setup scene elements from scratch that exist in other scenes.

UE-2 As an Avantis user/sound engineer I will be able to use an android lollipop based tablet to run the offline editor so that I don’t need to spend $700 on the latest greatest tablet to get the job done.

UE-3 As an A&H software engineer, I will be able to use a compile switch that allows me to choose to compile my app directly to iOS or Android OS.

Let’s call UE-3 a stretch goal. 😉

[LBETParticipant]

Definite maybe. A&H feels overextended with new product dev, hardware and software engineering, documentation and support for it’s existing products. Having worked in similar environments on both the product and project side I know a little bit about what burning the candle smells like.

Just take a look at the 2-3 minute avantis tutorials that just showed up on YouTube and you’ll see what I mean. I could make a 30 minute video on adjusting a truss rod (on a guitar). The suite of 6 Avantis tutorial videos, although welcome, still leaves one wanting as they total runtime is less than 15 minutes. Mmmm…..?

[LBETParticipant]

“GLD seem to have been hung out to dry… as a product it’s still a fantastic mixer, but seems to have been pushed out in to the cold…”

I agree. The GLD-80 we’ve been using at church is about 3 years old and we’re still getting more and more out of it. To be frank I think we’re limited by our choice of amps but I digress.

Having said that, the C+ software support (ipad only?!?!) and recent attained discontinued status are pretty big challenges to use of the board in an environment that is driven by an Avantis. Can’t even be used as a monitor mixer unless you drop down to 48K.

Our design engineer has recommended the Avantis and he believes the transition shock will be more manageable if we stay within the A&H family. I agree but I’m certainly grateful that we’ll NOT be using OneMix or any other A&H software or hardware for mangeming monitor mixes.

[LBETParticipant]

Then it appears to be a good thing that I have some experience with wireless application TCP stacks and wireless IP networking. I will, however, keep you point in mind.

[LBETParticipant]

Hi ofstreams,

I don’t have a cover but I was wondering what you are doing with the old Dante card? I’d be interested in talking about that assuming its and M-Dante 64×64.

LB

[LBETParticipant]

“This documentation is not bad for being written by engineers, but falls far short of what it needs to be.
AH cut corners to give an absolute minimum and hoped utoob would fill in the rest as people helped each other.”

Agreed. I worked as a software development PM and Scrum Master specializing in mobile application APIs and documentation was part of the project’s deliverables. I expect it to be complete and make sense in terms of what the API, or in this case GLD, is designed to do. I don’t think it’s too much to ask as we paid 5k or so for our GLD and BB was giving the APIs, dev tools and docs away for free.

I can only pray to my God that the Avantis docs are more comprehensive.

[LBETParticipant]

I was just thinking about this today. I think we are going to use a Dante solution. DVSC running on a laptop with Logic or Protools will be able to pickup all of the outputs from the stage box without impact FOH. Once mixed we can send a stereo pair back to the FOH console that can then be sent to the aux mix used by our streaming box.

It’s much cheaper and more portable that a separate board for us.

[LBETParticipant]

@fk0815

So you feel that a full printed manual for each GLD board would be an Ecological Disaster? Do you really think that? If you do, how would you characterize a library or a daily newspaper?

I think using hyperbole to deflect and defend a deficiency is quite unfortunate and bewildering.

[LBETParticipant]

“You are one out of 10.000 that complain about the poor docs” Poppycock!

Let’s make that 2/10000 or 1/5000. I was quite surprised when we received our board that the docs were almost non existent. No detailed operation, setup or maintenance manual was included and the stuff that was sent was little more than a getting started guide.

Cool, so I’ll go to YouTube. Well, the you tube videos were quite short and also not very detailed.

Ok, so you want to talk cars? Though I know how to drive, the car manufacture saw fit to create a detailed 500+ page manual that speaks to every single aspect of the vehicles operation, maintenance and service requirements. And as a special bonus, they included a separate manual for the entertainment system, android auto and apple car play.

I think both A&H and the mods on this site need to understand that both work flows and setup need to be better supported in the docs and that getting better at Customer Support itself is a worth while investment. This thread is actually a perfect case study on the impact of sub optimal customer interactions. I can only pray Steffen R that you don’t work for A+H as your curt responses seem to be quite lacking in empathy, mercy and humility.

[LBETParticipant]

The ios apps are used to control personal monitor mixes not the console. It’s either that or ME. We’re going with Klang…which is controlled from IOS, android or windows apps. Without an monitor mix engineer it’s the most practical way.

[LBETParticipant]

Great News Nicola,
Thanks,
Larry

[LBETParticipant]

Do you have a link to the manual? I can’t find it on the Avantis product page or the support page.

[LBETParticipant]

But Alas, there is more.

It looks like the 42 Busses are mono. 2 are used for the 2 PAFLs leaving 40. Now according to this video 40 busses = 20 stereo aux sends.

I don’t see us needing more than 15.

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