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Yes, I know we can use a stage box.

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Just to clarify, in fact you could use a Mac to create a Network, but that feature has disappeared from view on the latest OS (still might be there but not as easy as it once was.

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I should note Mike did indicated shutting off the “Band”channels from LR earlier in the thread:

You can gang the channels to be ducked or assign the band inputs to a group and have Ch.1 duck that group. Using an audio group you would need to un assign all the band channels from the main L R as they will be routed through the group.

Thanks again Mike, and if you have a chance to sort out the Qu-16 ducking…
I will be tackling that next week.

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I had my QU Pac out today and had some extra time. Just to confirm you could send all the band channels to an audio group, set the ducking on the group to be triggered by ch.1 and it will duck/mute all the inputs routed to that group.

Set a longer hold and release time for a smoother transition bringing the music back up.

Thank you Mike C. Your explanation sent me in the right direction. An additional Note would be to turn off all off the channels you want ducked in the LR mix (assuming you want the ducker o have complete control).

Far anyone who wants a more detailed explanation for how to do this easily (for all but the Qu-16), please just ask, and I’ll throw together a quick video and tutorial. I have no idea why A&H support couldn’t provide an answer to this which is simpler (and correct) vs what I shared above.

After this weekend, I will work on the Qu-16 solution (as it is the only mixer in the Qu series that does not have stereo groups. I absolutely love my Qu-Pac.

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Thank you Mike,
I feel pretty comfortable with that process for the Qu-Pac.

Still trying to sort out the option(s) for Qu-16

For the sake of others A&H Support shared:

For what you propose, you would need to have two input channels fed with the same signal in parallel. One with a duck inserted and the other second without. The second would then also, feed the mix output pre-fadde, so to keep it separate from the main mix bus (LR).
I hope this helps!

OK, well the QU-PAC has Groups, whereas the QU does not. The Groups, however, have a ducker on them. So, there will be a couple of methods here. though, the methods will be slightly convoluted. So, I think for now, we’ll just go with the first method I thought of as it will be a lot easier to follow.

To Duck main LR and not to a mix output.

That aside, I think the easiest thing you can do is to run an analogue split into two separate about channels. If you are using a USB or Dsnake input this will be easy to achieve via the routing dialogue of the I/O patch. If it’s from outboard, then you need to see up an analogue split.

Once you have attained a split of the same source to two separate channels, you run one completely dry to the desired mix, pre-fade off the input channel so it is not routed to the LR bus.

Assign Pre/Post fade sends – Hold down the ‘Pre Fade’ key and press Sel keys to toggle channel sends pre or post fader for the mix currently selected in the Master Strip. The Sel keys light green to show channels set pre-fade.

Now with the main mix feed that you want the ducker added, you simply assign the Ducker and route it solely to LR as you were.

Though, if you want to duck the band (all Channels except CH1)) when Caller CH11 is calling.

This can be done on QU-PAC using the group. Whereby, you assign all channel bar channels 1 & 11 to the group, set the duck on in the group, and set the input trigger on the group as CH 11.

and

With QU16, as I’ve explained, you will need to run the input split. There’s not really any other way.

If you are having difficulty with the terminologies or process, It might be good for you to reach out to your dealer for assistance, they can set up a demo for you.

A little disappointed they would pass the buck to a dealer, when they should just do a tutorial for the Qu-16, and the rest (all the others have groups), and then share it widely.
And more than a little disappointed that the Qu-16 (the most popular model) doesn’t have groups, even if only via software.

Regardless, any help from anyone with Ducking LR only on the Qu-16 is appreciated.

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It would be great if someone could explain in relative detail how to do both of the options (I’ve asked A&E Support; see below) as I have both a Qu-16 and Qu-Pac. Once I understand this better, I’ll document and share both options, w/ screen shots and maybe even a video.

From A&E Support:

Unfortunately, the ducking system does not work like that. it can only duck signals on input channels, not on output mix buses. For what you propose, you would need to have two input channels fed with the same signal in parallel. One with a duck inserted and the other second without. The second would then also, feed the mix output pre-fadde, so to keep it separate from the main mix bus (LR).
I hope this helps!

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Qu-16 & Qu-Pac

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For me, expecting English is disrespectful, and assumes everyone should and can speak English. I feel no disrespect if they can’t.

And as I said, if you can’t speak English, how do you know if google translates accurately?

Post in your native language and perhaps someone can read it that way, or at least know enough to be sure Google translates well.

For me, all languages are welcome. No English centric attitude from me. I speak and write very little in other languages so who am I to demand anyway.

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Not everyone can write in English or read French. And even if they can it might be a struggle. No need to make it hard or harder. Google Translate is our friend. But even then, if you don’t know the other language you don’t know if the translation is good.

Comprendre?
Merci!

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Google Translate works great.

Hello, everyone,
I’m a newcomer to computer music.
I have studio One pro 4.6, with Allen & Heath QU 16, and I can’t set up my digital console, with studio one 4.6 software via cable. USB to be able to see each independent track, I would like to have an explanation or a tutorial. Thanks

Capt’live,
See if this helps:

Qu-16 with Presonus Studio One 2 Pro

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Yeah, lighten up. Have a good day.

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Crimminy. Don’t be so darn defensive.

There have been numerous mentions here of folks not being able to get the mixers to work as they need them to work. Sometimes the problem is solved. Sometimes the poster just disappears. Bricked for me means unusable as needed L, when needed and as intended. If you have to add a stage box to QU-Pac to get any outs, I’d call that bricked. You don’t have to agree, but I sure as heck don’t want to have to troubleshoot such problems right before a sound check.

And I’m not commenting (or assuming) a single failure; I’m sure there are more. My comment is about the nature of how much can be lost with these mixers, when there is trouble. Without the stage box (many have no need) ant’s QU-PAC would be useless.

My comment has to do with the durability of these digital mixers in general. Certainly two years is not all I would expect from a mixer unless perhaps it was a rental unit bounced around day after day, and then I wouldn’t expect anything.

I haven’t had any trouble but given the nature of these, I won’t be surprised if I do. I have a 20 year old A&H analog that has never had a problem. So just wondering…

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I am curious about what folks have been doing with these apparently bricked units and what companies (Allen & Heath and others) are doing. Those of us have been around nearly forever still have A&E analog mixers and otter equipment that is still working fine decades later. I’ve been fortunate in not having had any problems with my QU-PAC and QU-16, and hope it stays that way, but generally can we expect these things on average to last how long? Is it a quality issues? Are these units significantly more vulnerable to being damaged, either simply because the shear number of internal components and connections could fail, and/or because of heating and cooling, and thus more vulnerability at the time of packing and moving these mixers (which are really racks of equipment in a small box). Given that there are figuratively hundreds of components in these systems, always “connected”, is it simply unrealistic to think that something in that chain isn’t eventually going to break. In the past, we’d be frustrated when a single piece of equipment failed but would simply leave it out and replace a compressor or eq, but in these a single part of the system failing seems to often render the entire system dead. Perhaps these companies need to create diagnostic abilities that we can use easily to check the systems and can quickly give us an answer about what if anything is broken. That should not be that hard. And the systems should probably run such a check either on startup, or at least on demand.

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My best guess is your speakers/amps are way too loud, and thus your trim/gain and/or mains are way down, to compensate. Is everything at unity?

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It might help if you shared how many you need (and at any point in time).

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