[camhisseyParticipant]

think ive noticed that in 1.81
dont remember it from 1.80

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Originally posted by RayS

is it me or are scene contents now always in expanded view…….don’t remember that from before, but in scenes with high parameter contents it real makes it tedious to find what you’re looking for….

RayS

R-72/iDR32/iPS10

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[camhisseyParticipant]

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Originally posted by yonazdk

Agree the scene systems needs a major overhaul or a complete redesign.

All these things are needed from a theatre perspective:

Scene-cut/copy/insert is much needed (reorder is too slow)
A scope-funktion for selecting what to store every time you hit store (“store scope” ?) perhaps with memory too.
Scene-fading (selectable on/off pr channel)
ON-THE-FLY channel-safe function: Yamaha does this. If you press and hold select while recalling a scene, the particular channel or channels don’t update. Very useful for dialogue channels e.g.
Offset on scene-load (pm5d has this). Very useful for effects or background music. For i.e. you can turn on an effect and automatically open a radio mic 5 seconds later.
Store button assignable to user-key
Auto-advance function is weird. Needs to recall when “go” is pressed – it’s very confusing to have another scene than the current one highlighted all the time
Speed – scene-loading needs to be much faster (as does startup time and reconfigure time)
On a related note – scene-storing should happen in the background, so you’re not stuck for 10 seconds everytime you update a scene.
This one is exciting: reconfigure the go-button to send a midi-string to something like cuelab wich then in turn sends the go-signal back when everything is ready. The userkeys are too far away to use for this. They should be in the lower-right corner on the next generation surface.

The key for theatre use is speed and easy access. If you’re programming during rehearsals you need to move along with what’s happening on stage. You need to be able to move scenes around, cut,copy and paste with lightning speed and to update a scene in a flash and move on right away. If you want to update a scene during a show, you have to be able to do that without being afraid of missing the next cue.

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Definitely Plus 1 for all of the above. We only use this console for theatre work in Sydney, and are planning on building our entry into the digital world on this platform. All that has been listed above is a must, especially fading and copy paste. Why cant I choose to have copy paste buttons on the console for scene use?

Another two things i really need added:

1. output trim on mains and auxiliarys – When CD level is at 0, fader is at 0 and mains are at 0 my amplifiers should not be limiting, and this has never been the case before. As every room we go into is different, often with a PA over-specced for the room. need to be able to adjust for this with an overall gain drop before leaving the digital world.

2. RTA redesign. This seems to have been built as a bit of an afterthought. The two greatest requirements needed here are the ability to adjust the gain of the response of the meters (without adjusting the gain on the channels you’re looking at) and also the ability to slow the response time. at present without slowing down it is near impossible to EQ a room adequately with Pink noise.

Thanks guys, I love the system, and I love that there are constant tweaks and improvements coming our way.

[camhisseyParticipant]

I’ve also found if you need to be quick in creating the scenes – say in the tech run for a musical, hit store all throughout, then later use a computer editor to remove parts of the scene you dont need, or if I’ve had the forethought/setup time, i do as stix suggests and create a heap of copy/pastes with just Mutes Levels Assignments and Strip Assignments, then re-add any singular items back to scenes that might need them, such as a IP Name change.

Then hitting update stores just the parts you need.

That being said, im gonna +1 the request for tracking what has changed, and a +1 for choosing templates

[camhisseyParticipant]

yes I hadnt got to a point of creating scenes for the show I was setting up before having to re-jig the mix setup. wont make that mistake again!

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Originally posted by camhissey

How about, dont automatically assign all my channels to Main Mix outputs!!! every time i make changes to my mix setup, it reassigns everything to the main mix, very frustrating when you are using all the IP channels and have to change them again.

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Just recall a scene after you have done the mix setup change to reset your assignments

Cheers

Richard Howey
Audio Dynamite Ltd
IDR48/IDR16/T112/R72

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[camhisseyParticipant]

What I’m seeing when I try and copy paste, if I make many changes the ability to update is greyed out and I’m left with no option but to Store All. Then I have to edit and delete all the unnecessary parameters all over again!

as for folders, its just neater if I can have folders. USB keys are also possible, but this was more about a wishlist

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Originally posted by camhissey

Hey all, scene management is a huge bugbear for a lot of us I think, so I figured there was enough that we could discuss in a separate thread to all the “i want”s that are in the other thread…

Ill get things started with a few…

1. The ability to choose first up what elements will be added to all further scenes, to save from having to remove everything unwanted after the fact to speed up recall and avoid unwanted changes
2. The ability to create a folder heirarchy to store shows. I work for a live sound company that employs several engineers; we would each like to have a folder on our consoles by name with each of our shows/templates inside.

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copy and paste might be of service here, in the 1st scene containing the parameters you want /need to change just copy these and paste in subsequent memories…..the trick for fast scene recall is to only have what needs to be changed in the scene…..

As for the second request I’m not sure I fully understand the problem,how about show files with different suffixes for each engineer? remember that each engineer’s computer editor session can and will probably be different according to their own settings templates shows etc…..or just pop in a usb key and you’re all good to go…..??!!

RayS

R-72/iDR32/iPS10

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[camhisseyParticipant]

If its possible to do either of those things, please fill me in! That being said, keep the ideas coming

[camhisseyParticipant]

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Originally posted by Bill Chu

So digit out will be cheaper than analog solution? For what I know, if using EtherSound, a 8 channel EtherSound to analog converter is about US$2,000, 32 outputs would cost US$8,000; if using mic splitter, 1 in with 2 parallel out, 32 channel should be about US$4,000. Any cheaper solution in digital mean suggested?

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when comparing, the analogue mic splitter dont forget they will still me mic level, you’ll need to include in your pricing a second set of mic preamps for the other side of the path.
If you can make do with just 24outputs, why not consider the MMO card, only roughly 1000bucks for 24 ADAT outs?

[camhisseyParticipant]

ah true, both about the trim functionality and the money saving requirement
I’m just a fan of keeping the two worlds separate whenever possible, that is recording and live.

[camhisseyParticipant]

Thanks Sam, that all looks great from here, hopefully I’ll get an aviom next week and try it out!

[camhisseyParticipant]

How about, dont automatically assign all my channels to Main Mix outputs!!! every time i make changes to my mix setup, it reassigns everything to the main mix, very frustrating when you are using all the IP channels and have to change them again.

[camhisseyParticipant]

why dont you just use an analogue split before you get to the input of the mix rack? its better in most regards than direct out as you get isolated gain settings for your preamp, which, if this is for recording, is gonna be better practice anyway. a lot of live engineers make changes to preamp gains mid show which will mess with your recording levels.

[camhisseyParticipant]

Don’t know if this has been suggested thoroughly already (20 pages of “wants” is a lot to read!!)

I am mixing live theatre with my iLive, which usually consists of 20 radio mics on singers plus 28+ channels from an orchestra.

I would LOVE to have the ability to load in a collection of audio files (from a USB stick or HDD), and, as scenes interjected throughout my show, fire off SFX which can be routed to any combination of outputs at differing levels to each, as often SFX need to appear to be coming from different areas of the stage, usually from different foldback wedges.

Thanks!

Cam

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