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2021/11/30 at 7:45 pm #104663
After a couple weeks use I’m back…
I finally understand how the PAFL association between Director and Surface links to RTA’s. I’ll just get used to the way you need to bounce control back and forth between Director and the Surface depending on which you are using.
I noticed Director seamed to run slower and graphics update was sluggish. I turned my laptop up to best performance and it improved but my battery life went downhill too fast. Another thing that really caught me off guard was the loss of the swipe control in Director for the custom soft keys on the right. But I see there is already a 1.91 so I will try that out this week and see if it improves on these.
Some of the other new features I am discovering. I like the new 12 band EQ and it’s enough for almost anything I would do. It would be nice to have the fader flip to the 12 band EQ like the larger ones can.
then bounce it back to the surface RTAwith RTA
2021/11/08 at 3:04 pm #104380I am late to the update, not at late as A&H :)-, but finally did it recently after vacation etc putting it off. Integration of the RTA is wonderful, this is great stuff and better than I envisioned. The sonogram with history is unexpected bonus I didn’t expect ! No more laptop RTA for my poorly calibrated ear to interpret and now right on top of the EQ. The old dLive RTA was just lacking big time, no offense.
Being the less than pro audio person I am I’m not sure how the expander differs that much from the current gate and I still need to understand what that and the new bus compressor may do for our mix but keen to explore.
If there is any RTA scale adjustment I did not find it yet. But sometimes I miss the obvious like ‘your car keys are in your hand’ obvious.
I also have not sorted out minor issue that my surface PAFL/Sel now follows director and vice-versa. I don’t recall doing anything to not have that happen on previous versions so I might need a pointer there to separate them again. Only important when we have 2 people working together and we have always had 2 PAFL buses set up and still do. So puzzled ??
I have recommended dLive as the best high level of sophistication and still usable by an average or intermediate level audio engineer (like me) to anyone who wants to talk about it. Now more than ever hands down the best system I have seen without reservation if your budget has under 5 zeros (US$).
THANKS for 1.9 !
2021/06/29 at 6:07 pm #102128I forgot about this until the other day when I wished I had it again. So I’m not sure you understand my ask… I’d like to be able to add a text string to the I/O socket at the I/O level in dLive which could be seen as a pop up note or similar short text string. I’m not really talking about strip assignment to the dLive I/O which I know is easily found. For example, much of our mix rack physical inputs are patched through to old copper stage boxes with very different numbers. My mix rack input #1 could very well be my stage box #7. If you could keep track of this within dLive it would make life easier when I want to send an instrument through to a dLive I/O channel I could see which of ‘my’ stage box #’s that is.
Make sense ?
2020/12/14 at 7:00 pm #97276You suggest I’m missing it but I know that works with a mix selected, but I don’t think that functions with a subgroup selected, maybe it does with DCA’s ?. We we still like to use subgroups and if the hierarchy was mix – subgroup/DCA – channel and it would bounce back upstream I would like that a lot. Am I missing something ?
2020/12/07 at 3:56 pm #97023I meant to follow up…
American Music and Sound sent us a new cable that was nothing more than a 4 conductor jumper between the two touchscreens. I did NOT see anything wrong with the old cable but it resolved the issue. Their response and support was very good.
2020/11/12 at 6:10 pm #96303Summer 2018 we installed everything and it has not moved since. Hopeful we do not have to send the whole thing in and that they will agree to send us the component they believe has failed if this first suggestion doesn’t take care of it.
2020/11/12 at 5:25 pm #96300Hello,
I wonder if this was resolved and how. Our first issue was last night with our S7000 which will not boot up. White screen and then nothing. We also tried all the steps suggested including disconnecting everything but the power cord and waiting and waiting… multiple reboots… nothing 🙁
We moved our Dante card for the wireless and our access point to the mix rack and we can run fine with Director at least for now.
My music minister made some contacts for support through links and American Music got right back to him suggesting maybe the cable from the power supply to the SBC. I will try reseating this cable but they are kind enought to plan to send a new one. I assume it will not be difficult to figure this out. Not that intimidated to open up the console.
Any advice or similar experiences out there ?
2020/02/10 at 6:23 pm #89465Just wanted to keep this request up front. It would be my #1 for improvement in regular use of dLive.
2019/04/11 at 7:30 pm #83314Last year at our Church I upgraded all our mixing with SQ consoles in Youth and Fellowship areas (great fit there) and dLive in the Sanctuary(could not be happier). While the specs seem similar for processing the capability and user experience is nothing close. Just from what you describe, size of the house and variety of situations, I would strongly argue that you want at minimum the C3500. You need to consider you total needs and determine if the CDM or DM Mix Rack is right for you. We also use a IP8 for our fixed monitor adjustments and it handles any combination of aux sends and channels up to 48 I think. So that can be there for the basics and use director for the more detailed needs.
2019/01/11 at 9:00 pm #81355Hello,
It’s been some time and we’ve been through Christmas Season and a few other fun things with dLive. I’m still learning and coming here once in a while to read the latest things being discussed and finding helpful stuff. The thing I enjoy most these days is just being able to come in and (often our music minister has already flipped the switch) start on stage with ‘Director’ and make sure everyone is happy with the stage then wander into the auditorium and mix a bit. Sometimes I don’t even make it upstairs until the service is about to start but usually one of the other guys is upstairs and I wander & love it.
A few things on the short list still:
– another wire for remote power to the ME and stuff behind the drum booth which already has a sequencer
(stage left where orchestra sits has remote power for the old Aviom they use)
– move from single input to our speaker processors and split the center cluster, side fills, upper and lower balcony so we can matrix and use dLive for EQ and delay on each send and probably put the processor back closer to flat, this way we can remotely tweak these things.
(our old processors (EAW) can handle four separate inputs so that should work out)
– do some more work on our distribution and hearing impaired systems which probably needs replacingFor fun I would add a picture of our install, this is so much cleaner than what we had prior and monitor world used to be just behind the orchestra where that empty booth is.
[url=https://imgur.com/2a5OPH7][img]https://i.imgur.com/2a5OPH7.jpg[/img][/url]2018/09/13 at 5:32 pm #78533Topher… I hope you can do it soon and I’m sure you will like it. I might even have experienced enough to give some advice 🙂
While I’m still learning dLive I remain amazed at the improvements in overall sound quality we have experienced. I’m sure the pro’s would listen to our service and want to fix a bunch of things (we are still working on many things) but I believe that a song they did this past Sunday (for the first time) was the best our house has ever sounded with clarity and dynamics that I’ve never experienced. It feels like we’ve replaced our speakers as well. What we really need is about an 8 hour practice session to work on individual channel EQ and dynamics. I guess it’s time for me to learn to record and do virtual sound checks to play with drums and guitars for example.
This week I did some more overhaul in our recording area off stage and it might be turning the corner. We can send a ‘mix’ from FOH on an aux or we can fire up a Mac with Dante VSC and mix there and record onto a new external drive. Either the FOH mix or the Mac mix can be used to generate the audio for the video recording station, our distribution system, external recorder, whatever. We have always had a little 2 channel in 5 out stereo unit for this. We started with just 16 channels but now that there is a faster recording drive we’ll try 32 and may go to full 64.
I’m taking a break from sound and going on vacation the next couple weeks.
2018/09/07 at 9:12 pm #78431Forgot to mention I started a new post once we had it up and running with a few new questions and sorry if I should have kept it all in one thread. But I’ve had so much ‘fun’ with this project I don’t mind recapping it again 🙂
2018/09/07 at 9:03 pm #78430Hi,
Where to start… It has been more work than I imagined but more or less fun stuff. More work not because dLive is too complicated but because I cleaned up or changed almost everything in the process. The actual dLive part was not much more than 2 sets of Cat6 between the Surface and Mixrack and 2 sets to each side of the stage from Mixrack plus two small switches for redundant Dante at the surface. Some of those long runs were a challenge because of the building and one of the other team helped me with it. I also moved our processors from FOH to the amp room next to mix rack. The new Mix rack sets right underneath our old splitter.
Our FOH went from console plus two 4′ outboard racks nearly full to dLive with a 4 space rack having 3 ULXD quads and a media player next to it then a PS, Intercom and a couple broadcast devices under the bench. So clean by comparison. I removed several snakes and converted a few for other uses so that we could eliminate many of the old wires running all around and behind the old racks.
About the time I thought I was nearly done we then replaced our drum enclosure and flipped our rhythm and orchestra to opposite sides of the stage from where they started. So there’s more work unrelated to dLive with cleaning up all the stuff going to the input rack and sending it all into dLive but we basically kept all the copper from our stage. Extra Cat6 is there for future and we only NEED it for ME right now.
Monitor world is gone. Nothing there but an Aviom switch and an IP8. We used our old Avioms for orchestra players and matched the 16 channels in the ME. ME hub feeds 8 ME-1’s on the other side of the stage. Many ME channels are grouped inputs so you can mix things within a group while Aviom just gets a group or individual feed. All easy to configure from Surface now. I’d still like a remote power up and down for the ME-U and a couple other things on the stage but everything else starts with one switch on two small sequencers and the big 100 AMP sequencer for the amps. We used to have two separate sequences for FOH and Monitors.
The details is where you can get hung up and I don’t think any contractor would have done all the little things I did. Not knocking them when you can’t do it yourself but if you can you can really do it to your likely and make it clean as possible. I’ve even made basic drawings for the networks and sequencing and all new notes for patches and so on. This way we understand it all in case we need to troubleshoot.
We are incredibly happy with the sound and capabilities. I can’t explain it but everything sounds better and we haven’t touched our processor settings or speakers. Our house send is also completely flat right now. We get more sound from things that used to be our perennial feedback problems and it’s just cleaner. The GL’s were good consoles but maybe all the long runs of wire and splitters and such contributed to degradation in sound and just cannot compare to digital at 96 kHz. I think the longest copper is from far side of stage and 100′. Some of our old conduits for snake ran underground and I imagine that by the time it went from stage to splitter to FOH and back again we were pushing 500′. I also suspect some of those underground conduits have filled with water. I know the old network conduit had because I pulled it a long time ago and lined it with plastic water pipe to protect the Cat5. I will run nothing new in the old underground conduits.
We are still working out how we will do all our production but have temp Dante to a Mac and aux send through our old splitter (the only thing we are using it for) so we can record the basics either way. Future we will try to record everything and be able to re-mix later. I’ve really only run sound a couple times myself and have focused on making sure everything is working right and been mobile with Director.
I’ll recommend dLive to anyone if it fits their needs and think it was possibly the best choice for us. Anyone passing through Cookeville TN welcome to see what we’ve done.
Did I mention I also put an new SQ5 in our Fellowship Hall and SQ6 in Youth Center. All of this over the past 6 weeks I guess. My wife says she’ll be glad to have me back again and we are headed out for vacation next weekend.
Maybe that covers most of it 🙂
2018/08/31 at 2:49 pm #78209Following up…
Based on advice above I set the Primary on ULXD’s and M-Dante card to static IP’s. ULXD lets you set one IP for audio and another for control from the front panel. Using the ‘Dante Controller’ interface it only let me set the M-Dante ‘Primary’ port to a static IP. Unless I missed something the network port on M-Dante shares the same IP ? This does make for a more stable platform since I can unplug our wifi router DHCP device with no effect on Audio or Control.
I let the Secondary network use whatever it liked, I think in the 172.31.x.x range, and it also works fine. With ‘Primary’ unplugged audio still flows but control is lost.
I also set up 16 channels of Dante audio on Primary network only to a computer running the Dante ‘Virtual Sound Card’ license that came with M-Dante. That computer has Logic Pro right now and this also works well except… the computer can’t write fast enough to keep up with 16 channels. Once we upgrade the hard drive or computer we’ll send even more channels for recording.
The A&H dLive and Dante audio network with ULXD is working our great for us.
Thanks,
2018/08/15 at 9:35 pm #73388Underscore , this is exactly what we had done with old Aviom on our monitor land GL4000. We could listen to their mix and bring their level down but not alter the mix. Not a great solution.
Art, yes I know but then two wires to the IP8 and either some extension cord or custom extension of the low voltage. I want it to be somewhat mobile and a 20-25 ft tether of a single Ethernet would let us walk the stage, mix wedges and choir fills pretty easily. Adding a power cord would make that more difficult.
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