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2021/09/21 at 11:52 am #103574
Thank you Scott.. that’s awesome advice. Thank you very much
2021/09/21 at 11:47 am #103573Ah! Thanks Keith.. that’s so helpful thank you
2021/09/21 at 4:06 am #103562Thanks Scott,
Lots of interesting info in that channel.
Am still a bit unclear about when and how to apply latency compensation.Scenario 1:
Band = 1 singer on stage
FOH PA
Stage Monitor.
Singer is in wedge and in FOH.– Singer 1 Vocal channel has some SQ eq and compression but no inserted waves sends;
– An Aux channel sends the vocal to a waves reverb (lets say 2ms latency) that is returned on a spare channel that is assigned to LR FOH (mostly) and to monitor send (a bit);Assuming that this is all there is here..
Do I need to latency compensate here?
I assume if I were to latency compensate it would be delay on the Singer 1 channel to align it with the returned Reverb?Scenario 2:
Band = 2 singers on stage
FOH PA
Stage Monitors each.
Both singers and the guitar are in each other’s wedges and in FOH.– Singer 1 Vocal channel has waves inserted rack that adds say 1.2ms;
– Singer 2 Vocal channel has waves inserted rack that adds say 0.8ms;
– Both vocals are in Aux send to waves reverb say 2.0ms
– Singer 2 Acc guitar has some SQ eq and compression but no waves sends.Assuming that this is all there is here..
What would I compensate and where?
Would I use a Waves latency group across singer 1, 2 and the reverb racks to delay everything (back to the reverb in this eg)
And delay the guitar in SQ to that group (so that spill is aligned?) ?I *might* have time in my set ups to do something like this in some cases
Appreciate any advice anyone can offer on this to a newbie
ThanksAndy
2021/09/19 at 5:31 am #103536More naive questions from me
When using SuperRack to host plugin on a insert for an SQ channel- its pretty obvious that way to go is to patch the IO for the insert sends 1-1 with the soundgrid channel in SuperRack. That works really well.
I guess would do the same with a Group- I can see how I would patch from a Group’s insert to a Rack if I wanted to put plugins across the group.What about bussed effects such as Reverb? The SQ FXs sends and returns are all internal and while the FXReturns can be patched as outputs there is no obvious way to return them unless I take a spare channel up as the return. Could do that? But it is will be going through the internal FX engine which is confusing. Seems better to leave the internal FX engine alone AS IS? Or do people use it?
If not the internal FX then either an group or an AUX.. I know if I was patching to hardware I would use an AUX but I’m not patching an analog i/o.
Andy
2021/09/17 at 11:32 pm #103523Hi Hugh,
Um.. I have DX168 as well
I bought a s/h “Impact Server”.. that might be a bit disappointing 🙁
My card arrived yesterday– I will hook it up today and see what happens…
I hope that I will cope
I’m not looking to do massive amounts of processing in my live gig- sweeten vocals, tweak an acoustic guitar here and there– that sort of thing2021/09/16 at 9:05 pm #103499Thanks Scott
You use a touch screen I assume?2021/08/29 at 12:03 pm #103171Thanks Steffen.
Thanks Hugh.
Yep- there is certainly a whole heap of stunning tools out there in hardware and software that, when used correctly and in the right context can make the process easier and richer for all involved. That said, not everything is for everyone or nor will everything suit every circumstance. Agreed.If anyone has any experience of hardware running LP signal chains without using such dedicated hardware as the UAD processors I would be interested in your findings of what gear specs work. Thank you
2021/08/29 at 5:08 am #103163Hey guys,
Do you have any advice regarding laptop specs for using VSTs in Live Professor without dedicated outboard processing such as UAD or waves soundgrid?I have been experimenting with my SQ5 and LP2 and some waves VST plugins on a MacBook Pro. I am just taking the signal into my laptop via the analog hardware inputs and return on my RME Fireface UC which seems very stable at even very small buffers. (LP reports a lower overall latency for the same buffer settings when I use the RME usb connection than when I connect it to the SQ5’s i/o via usb (though I guess I might lose any gain of the RME drivers in the SQ5’s extra DA and AD conversions of sending and returning the signal?. IDK?))
That said, as I increase the number of plug ins active in my LP chains I need to increase buffer (and therefore latency) as dropouts start to appear. I totally realise this is to be expected – I think that it is my MacBook’s ability to process the signal through the plug ins that is becoming the bottleneck- as opposed to the USB i/o connection but I’m not sure about that? All I can see is that the LP performance meter seems to be showing that the buffer is not keeping up for some reason. My MacBook is a 2019 Pro model- 1.4GHz i5 with 8GB. So it’s an entry level macbook pro but it’s not a really slow machine.
What do you guys run your LP on?
Forgive my very patchy understandings of above.
Thank you for any comments you can share.2021/08/04 at 10:52 am #102726I’ve been a very happy QU-16 for many years but bought an SQ5 about 6 months ago and delighted I did. For me the main points are:
– Sounds better than QU (especially with DX168);
– Various features and additions in the signal chain that all make a difference to sound quality and usability– Easier to handle drop in changes on stage
* Its very easy to drag and drop configure inputs and groups and fx returns onto a layer on the SQ;
* Scribble Strips and colouring means that if you do so you can still see what is what;
* One button check of input channel patch assignment means that you can allow physical inputs to be different from the layout on the board you know you can immediately see and trace patching if you have a lead failure or stage problem of some kind.I’m not doing the same shows for the same bands all the time.
Despite my best pre-show efforts to determine what will be on stage my shows sometimes change quite a bit with acts and players getting added in right up to the last moment quite often.
I find it really hard to work however if, when this happens, my desk fader layout gets really messed up. It stresses me out.
I like my guitars to be all roughly in the same place on the board but corresponding to their physical positions on the stage. So my guitars are not mixed up in with the vocals and the Gat1 is far left stage and Gat2 the one centre or right of stage. Say.
If you have a lot active channels in a show this really helps you to find stuff and not to push the wrong fader.So you all set up then Band lead comes up: “Hey man, my mate has turned up and we want him to play Acc Gat with us as well.. that ok?”
The first physical channel you got left free is CH 22. Prob on the drum snake.
On Qu first reaction was “bugger!!”But SQ it’s ok.
You plug the gat in Ch22 on the stage. On the desk you find Ch22 strip.. name it Gat2, go the layer layout tab, shuffle things around a bit to make a space, drag that channel strip into the layer in position in the Inst group next to all the other guitars where I like it to be. Go the the layer. You can see its name in the scribble strip. Assign it to necessary groups, fx sends etc there in place. Done.For me.. its a life saver and keeps me from panic if everything goes to custard 15 mins before show!!
QU does have this to an extent but the SQ has it nailed.
Your milage may vary on need for this 🙂 For me it is the best thing2021/08/03 at 10:47 pm #102715Hi Jim,
It’s a bit confusing at first.
Section 13 of the SQ manual has some more detail but basically..When you format the flash drive on the desk for SQdrive recording, the formatting puts a particular directory structure onto the flashdrive and places recorded audio files (and saved settings) into specific subdirectories there.
The structure seems to be this on my system
AHSQ
LIBRARY
SCENES
SHOWS
USBMTK
SQ-MT001
SQ-MT002
etc
USBPLAY
USBRECDepending on whether you choose to record stereo or multitrack, your recording files with be in either USBMTK or USBREC.
Recording multitrack creates a lot of files– one for each track. Every time you start and stop recording a new sub-directory is created with all the track files. Some files in there may be blank if you did not have input for that track but they should all be the same length and size within each recording even if empty of audio content.Stereo recording is 1 stereo file for each time you start recording: SQ-ST001…. SQ-ST002 etc
The files there are standard audio .WAV files.. You can just extract them from their directory and load them up onto another flash drive or up to Dropbox or similar to get them to someone. The recipient can then load them into a DAW or just play them back or whatever.
There are various threads here about which flash cards work well with the SQ and QU mixers and which don’t work well and may produce glitchy recordings.
That said, if for some reason your flash drive does not work when you put it back in your SQ next time you use it, then maybe the expected directory structure got messed up somehow. Try to reformat it on the desk. The drive is not “consumed” in anyway (or should not be) but the specific structure is required for the desk to know where to put things. (Reformatting your flash drive on the desk before use is prob good practice anyway but make sure you save all prior contents to your computer. Not sure whether the reformat wipe all the content of the flash drive or just the AH directories and I can’t test at this moment but better save to be sure.)
Hope that helps a bit.
Others on here will know much more but will help clarify / expand above at basic level if I can
Andy2021/08/03 at 8:16 pm #102714Actually MixPad is very good for this 🙂
Also didn’t realise there is a MixPad for desktops. Thanks Brent. Great pointer.
For some tasks it’s quite a bit quicker working on Mixpad on the desktop and uploading to the SQ than working on the smaller touchscreen of the SQ. I like it a lot.I could not find it on the App Store but you can definitely get it here https://www.allen-heath.com/key-series/sq/sq-software/
Andy
2021/08/02 at 8:16 pm #102681Fair call.. sorry
I use it but to date only after it has been connected to my SQ5 and never used it to save anything.
Will figure it out
Thanks2021/08/02 at 9:32 am #102663Thank you.. that all makes sense.
I don’t think it is possible to use the SQ App to preconfigure and save a desks settings is it?2021/07/15 at 4:31 am #102364Great – thanks.. that’s helpful
2021/07/06 at 8:13 pm #102237I have a
– 2019 Macbook Pro 1.4GHz Quad core i5, 8GB ram
– Catalina
– Reaper
– 10GB USB to Thunderbolt hub https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/HUBSTT4643986/StarTech-4-Port-USB-C-Hub-10Gbps-to-3x-USB-A–1x-U
– 500gb Samsung T7 external SSDIt seems to be working ok so far
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