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Yes, the phase/cable length issue might be a problem with larger venues. Even smaller ones like our church don’t guarantee adjacent sockets being on the same phase, nor even from the same distribution board.

I’d like to see it tried, but for venues like mine with CAT5 or better flood-wiring I’d rather trust simple passive cable (and even patchbay) links than having another device in the chain. Let us know how you get on…

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Thanks Sam – will check this later today after some other maintenance. Might take the opportunity to update to 1.83 while I’m at it. Curiously it all seemed to work nicely last weekend with the same hardware/software/patching setup, so right now I’m thinking it was either an issue with the source or the material it was playing.

Will update this thread with any findings.

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Update: MONO button below phones volume, duh! That’s PAFL sorted. But still not the stereo input only sending one leg into the main mix.

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Here’s one I’ve not thought of before: Make displayed Q/width values switchable, and consistent. Going from 1/3 to 0.4 or some-such doesn’t make much sense when scrolling, and it’s not immediately clear to the uninitiated as to what the value being displayed actually means. Is it the Q, the Octave width, or something else?

I’d suggest a switchable option to show the following modes would be useful:
– Q
– Octave (decimal)
– Octave (fraction)

Also, how’s about labelling the EQ sections on the touchscreen display so that users can see immediately which EQ knob matches the curve/data entries in the touchscreen? Again, thinking of new/inexperienced users here.

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Yup – chalk me up on Lion incompatibility. Same symptom, but both Lion and iLive software were installed from scratch, so I shouldn’t have inherited any incompatibilities from a previous install. I’m evaluating Lion presently to see what the issues are, and this is the only one I’ve come across so far that would stop me working in some projects.

Any ideas on a fix date?

Also, worth knowing that because PPC code is no longer supported in Lion, that means a lot of old/abandoned AU or VST plugins for workstations/virtual synths won’t work properly either. Not sure how much it affects “pro” users, but it certainly has curtailed my freeware music-making tools!

Otherwise really enjoying Lion – seems to generally be faster and the UI enhancements (now I’ve embraced them) are letting me get work done more quickly, especially where multiple windows/programs are involved.

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Ah yes – in my zest for getting rid of group mixes I forgot that they’d be the answer. Makes sense for “broadcast” mixes going to other rooms/recorders I guess – just needed to think a little differently. Thanks for the confirmation!

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USB DI with generic interface, such as those sold by ARX, is a much simpler solution!

We use them all the time on Windows and Mac laptops here for situations like yours and not had a problem yet. Transformer/DI functionality built-in, and sounds a lot cleaner too. We either use a Y-split cable to join L&R outputs into one mono XLR run, or just a pair of XLR out to the IDR. 2-way multicore cables are out there too, which might keep things neater.

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Ooops! Just as well that from the old days of previous digital mixing systems I used, I continued the practise of “always adjust the left channel for ganged/stereo groupings”. Thanks Sam for letting us know it’ll be fixed though!

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+1… That’d be really helpful for me too, please?

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RF interference from walkie-talkies I’ve come across has never caused me an issue, either with audio (digital or analogue) or WiFi connections. What has caused us issues is the lack of fidelity – such units tend not to be able to transmit/receive full 20Hz-20KHz bandwidth whether through earpieces or through the built-in speakers. This causes significant intelligibility issues, either because the louder gigs overpower anything that the earpieces give us, or because we can’t whisper in quieter staged or speech-based events. Wired comms have always given me a usable experience during gigs. I’ve always struggled with wireless comms in all applications outside of basic load-in or load-out scenarios.

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I use stereo inputs mostly for the things that I know aren’t going to bite me. Things like fixed (built-in) piano mics, cross-paired mics, ambience mics, playback, synths, and SPDIF feeds.

If I feel there needs to be more caution because of feeds being knocked or going crackly then I’ll happily just leave channels in mono and either gang faders, use a DCA, or just eat up another channel strip than I’d otherwise like.

That said: I agree the extra stereo processing would be nice, especially for width control and channel routing/switching like L>L&R, R>L&R and LR>RL, as found on some Soundcraft K-series desks I encountered early in my gigging time. Gets more complicated still when I think about how an incoming stereo track might want to be presented to LCR busses – but then I guess that’s partly what the new speaker processing plugin was designed for.

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5ms is quite a lot of extra latency in smaller venues I would think. In mine that’s the difference between live vocals/speech being clear and turning into mud. Funnily enough a couple of days ago I was experimenting with input delays to play with the Haas effect, among other things. Up to 3ms extra delay was tolerable, and is even desirable if one wishes to make speakers “disappear”. Then from 4ms up we started to hear two discernable sound sources, neither more clearly than the other and it really impacted on overall intelligibility.

If we were able to run the house >30dB higher than the stage (as I’d imagine most bigger “arena” or “theatre” shows would likely be able to do) then we might be able to get away with it. But when you’re more like 6-12dB above stage then even small latencies can make a big difference.

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I had great success recording from the iLive via MADI to a MacBook Pro (2008 vintage I think) running Reaper, straight to the internal 5400RPM HDD. Thinking about it, we were only actually sending it about 6-9Mb/s, which these days should really not that much of a struggle. If all you’re doing is capturing, then I think RAID etc is nice but not essential, nor is esoteric processing/memory/storage hardware.

3.5 hours recording everything straight out of the iLive ADC’s over MADI I think clocked in just under 100Gb – so a 500Gb SATA 2.5″ drive (even if it does run the host OS as well) ought to be plenty. Archiving those recordings and keeping them backed up however… now THAT’s where you need raw speed and massive capacities.

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+1 for variable (or at least selectable) width DeEsser. That would rock my world, especially for those of us using cheaper head-worn mics than we’d like!

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Yes, our T80’s have been a little noisy. The hired (older) units were noisier than the brand new ones, but even our new T80 is quite noticeable when nothing else is happening. It’s currently masked by the 10K-Lumen projector on the next floor up, so it’s no real problem for us in daily use.

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