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  • #47377
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    LK
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    Matrix would be so great on QU-16. (instead of some Mixes)

    Please do it, it would be outstanding helpful.

    I would pay for it, but i don’t want a larger desk!

    Thanks for your attention!

    Nearly every job I miss this feature!
    I workaround with analog looping Main to Inputs or do it with post-Aux.

    Both sucks. Second solution I got no post-Main possibility!

    Please give it to us! 😉

    #47378
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    [XAP]Bob
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    QuPac?

    Matrixes on a 16 channel desk is a little overkill for the vast majority of the target market.

    From what you’ve said before I’d suggest that an outboard processor (racked with your amps) is probably a better solution.

    #47380
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    Thanks for your reply.

    No, I dont think its an “overkill”:

    Theres a (big) world beside the typical Live-Band-Show.

    I got often a situation likes this:
    A handful Wireless-Mics for discussion/presentation for example and a Stereo-Input (Keynote)
    (typical industrial job)

    The venue needs a delay-line an there is a secondray-room the audio-signal should be transmitted to.
    (Or a broadcast company would like to have a audio signal)

    I often got really really little space for my gear. (Best thing to keep it all behind presentation-screen or in a niche)

    Why should I use a bigger desk? 16 Channles are more than enough an I got 19″ rack-dimension – PERFECT!

    I do jobs like these nearly every week.

    I want to have “hardware-faders” – I did “racked” processing in the past (iLive Mixrack)
    I had sometimes trouble loosing Wifi-connection (venues with much Wifi-traffic)

    For this reason I want to have a “manual” backup that allows quick access to faders to avoid feedback and so on.
    (Thats my experience over years as an full-time tech)

    I dont think it would be “very hard” to give us the feature of a Matrix instead of a Aux-Mix.
    I would pay for it, I would even buy other hardware, but the main features (dimensions, fader quantity, usability, sound,…) of the QU-16 are really perfect for my usage.

    So I think its legit to express my desire of a matrix/ matrices, I know there are many other guys with the same desire!

    (I know there are workarounds because I use them, but they are little annoying, its a thing that should be able to be implemented with a relative simple firmware update)

    Thanks for your attention!

    #47381
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    Dave
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    I Second LK’s opinion! Please enable this function.

    Thankyou.

    #47393
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    Press feeds etc are simple copies, so Alt out already covers that. There is an argument (and a request somewhere) to add a delay to the alt-out DAC for single delay line options.

    But if you are looking for delay lines, and only using a couple of channels, then why not loop to an ST input, then you can have all the axes as copies of the main mix?

    #47394
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    Lou
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    Maybe I should ask this elsewhere, but how does a Matrix help you? It seems you can set any mix to post fade and get what you need from it. If not, please suggest someplace I can go to learn about matix outputs…

    #47395
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    A Matrix takes a feed from an output, not the inputs. So a matrix feed already has processing on it like EQ & Comp/Limiter etc…

    Also using the Alt Output is not enough as i’m usually asked for around 6 press feeds… But at least it has an Alt Out.
    I agree about the Alt Out Delay… should be easy firmware update!

    #47396
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    GCumbee
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    We carry press mult boxes for that. 1×12 passive transformer ISO.

    #47398
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    LK
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    In practice I sometimes use the masterfader for level-control. Not the channelfader. That´s why sometimes I cant see if someone is grabbing one of lets say 6 or 8 Wireless-Mics and cant identifiy it fast and clearly. If I want to control the level really fast – master is the best way. The broadcast guy is not so delighted of this – of course, becuase of shift of level of ambient noise for example.

    You can argue “dont do this” etc etc
    Im payed for best live sound and so I do at my best.

    A matrix pre-master-fader is in my opinion the best choice for press feeds.

    Yes I CAN give them Alt out, or a main-split – of course – thats not the main problem.

    A delay in Alt out would really help, but give me EQ too please – tomorrow I have a nearfill with an other type of speaker….for example
    -> so give me a Matrix and Im happy.

    I DO loop it to ST input – thats the way I work at the moment.

    But I dont like it:
    1. I dont like the extra cable
    2. Im afraid of accidently feed the input to main and cause a “hardware-feedback”

    Basically:
    Why are you trying to invalidate my arguments.
    Its an individual thing.
    Yes – I can do everything I need (thats the reason I bought the mixer) but give me a Matrix and Id be really happy! 😉

    @Lou:

    Sorry, I dont think you understood how exactly a matrix works.

    A matrix takes the signal from an output – “main” is the most important.
    And in ideal case i can choose it to be pre/post main-fader.

    Main-EQ for example effects the matrix. Thats not possible in your scenario.

    Matrices would ease my work – believe it or not – for any reaosn the QU-24 and 32 HAVE matrices – think about it!
    Why – if nobody needs it?

    @gcumbee:
    I dont have so much pressfeeds, its just one example.
    Nearfills AND delaylines AND pressfeeds can all be done really good with matrices in my personal opinion and workflow.

    Thanks!

    #47399
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    GCumbee
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    Excuse me. I meant no intent of invalidating your point. I was just saying how I do it. That does not invalidate you. And yes I do know how matrices work. I have been in this business over 40yrs. Have done everything you can imagine. From small events. Presidents, Popes and network TV.

    #47400
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    Lou
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    And I was not sating nobody needs it, just wanted to understans more. At the club I work, with Soundcraft Vi4, the matrix feeds a bunch of different outs – lobby, upstairs, record buss, web feed, etc, but i didn’t set it up, I just mix the show! Thanks.

    #47405
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    LK
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    @gcumbee:
    You were of course NOT invaliding my arguments. I didnt supposed you not to know how a matrix works, but Lou.

    @Lou:
    That wasnt meant nasty, it was an assumption because of the idea to use postfader Mix instead of a matrix.

    Sorry to you both guys – it wasnt my intention to insult you.

    I was a little upset about Bobs statement and english is obviously not my first language – sorry for that!

    #47410
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    [XAP]Bob
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    Apologies – not quite sure which bit upset you, but I’m sorry.

    Your English is better than my ${language}

    #47412
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    GCumbee
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    Thanks. No apology necessary. We’re good.

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