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  • #45984
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    I do like the qu16 a lot especially the price and sound quality but I have a lot of small updates that would make it a great console.these are in no particular order accept the first bullet. That’s very important to me

    -I’d like a stereo to mix function so that when setting up delays and fills I don’t have to make a million post fade auxes per channel and one by one.
    -global per aux pre/ post fade switch.
    -I’d also like a icon on the screen showing what layer I’m on. Especially outside in the sun it takes a second to see where I’m at.
    -mp3 playback for player
    -automixer (cheaper behringer is supposed to have it in an update.
    -pc editor
    -android editor
    -input patching that Is not 1 to 1 especially for usb playback
    -channel overview screen with panning and stereo asignemnts
    -aux pan fallow foh pan
    -app sensation mode or full screen faders
    -more soft keys on app
    -direct play of files on soft key
    -allmost console features on app. (Like yamaha and begringer)
    -selective copy and paste function
    -lock for input patch on channel screen
    -larger meters on screen
    -streaming of que to ipad via wifi and through headphone jack even if there is latency and is compressed … I wish, then console really could be left backstage. But this is proably wishful thinking
    -more accuracy then 1db on aux send screen
    -any possibility of a silent power on and off? The pop is not ideal. In a rental company having to power down the entire system first takes valuable time. However I think this is hardware related.
    – dante to d snake adapter. Wishful thinking, though with dante via when released and the Asio drivers I suspose you could use this console with latency enabled dante. Great for overflow rooms on a distributed system.
    -stage box makes desk bigger. As stage boxes are expensive it would be awesome to have the desk become larger. Even if processing only allowed for 8 more. If processing really is an issue then remove qu drive in in higher channel counts

    #45985
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    -I’d like a stereo to mix function so that when setting up delays and fills I don’t have to make a million post fade auxes per channel and one by one.

    Stereo to mix has been well discussed elsewhere, adding your voice to those might make more sense (or use a stereo input as an analogue loop 😉

    -global per aux pre/ post fade switch.

    global post/pre – If you hold the layer button then you can run your finger along and toggle all of the “select” switches… it would be nice though I agree.

    -I’d also like a icon on the screen showing what layer I’m on. Especially outside in the sun it takes a second to see where I’m at.

    Meh – Not sure the screen is that much more visible than the LEDs is it?

    -mp3 playback for player

    MP3 won’t happen – licensing and processing. ST3 is there for MP3 players…

    -automixer (cheaper behringer is supposed to have it in an update.

    What do you want in an automixer?

    -pc/android editor

    Again – plenty of threads for this (or a mac version) already. Even an option to export show files from the iPad would be nice…

    -input patching that Is not 1 to 1 especially for usb playback

    1 to 1 patching is a signature of the QU – you can rename your tracks to move them around, or just use the custom layer on the surface.

    -channel overview screen with panning and stereo asignemnts

    section 6.9 of the manual?

    -aux pan fallow foh pan

    Optional at best – for in ears it may need to be totally different

    -app sensation mode or full screen faders

    I’d rather have two banks, but I can understand where you’re coming from. I’m still thinking that a remote surface would be better.

    -more soft keys on app

    More? Any?

    -direct play of files on soft key

    Meh, you probably looking for better timing than you’d get off this.

    -allmost console features on app. (Like yamaha and begringer)

    allmost?

    -selective copy and paste function

    Example? The copy/paste is already selective, it depends what button you press with copy…

    -lock for input patch on channel screen

    Preamps can be “safed”, but not source safe only.

    -larger meters on screen

    That’s what the iPad is for 😉

    -streaming of que to ipad via wifi and through headphone jack even if there is latency and is compressed … I wish, then console really could be left backstage. But this is proably wishful thinking

    I leave mine on stage – UHF IEMs for me…
    Or of course just plug a laptop in, that can stream it via MP3 to your iPad – the latency will drive you mad though…

    -more accuracy then 1db on aux send screen

    Accuracy depends on the fader position – at low levels it is well over 1dB, between -10 and 10 it is finer…

    -any possibility of a silent power on and off? The pop is not ideal. In a rental company having to power down the entire system first takes valuable time. However I think this is hardware related.

    Why are you rebooting the mixer?
    Simply mute the next item on the chain if you are really concerned about time and noise.

    -stage box makes desk bigger. As stage boxes are expensive it would be awesome to have the desk become larger. Even if processing only allowed for 8 more. If processing really is an issue then remove qu drive in in higher channel counts

    The box has DSP for a specific number of channels. THe QU-Pac is extended by stageboxes… I suppose there is no reason that they couldn’t release a QU16+ with “Grow with stage box” option – but they’d need to add at least another one or two layers, which moves away from the core value of the QU series.

    #45992
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    Mp3 recording and playback is standard I do like the qu16 a lot especially the price and sound quality but I have a lot of small updates that  would make it a great console.these are in no particular order accept the first bullet.  That’s very important to me

    -I’d like a stereo to mix function so that when setting up delays and fills I don’t have to make a million post fade auxes per channel and one by one.
    -global per aux pre/ post fade switch. 
    -I’d also like a icon on the screen showing what layer I’m on.  Especially outside in the sun it takes a second to see where I’m at.
    -mp3 playback for player
    -automixer (cheaper behringer is supposed to have it in an update. 
    -pc editor 
    -android editor
    -input patching that Is not 1 to 1 especially for usb playback  
    -channel overview screen with panning and stereo asignemnts 
    -aux pan fallow foh pan
    -app sensation mode or full screen faders
    -more soft keys on app
    -direct play of files on soft key 
    -allmost console features on app. (Like yamaha and begringer)
    -selective copy and paste function 
    -lock for input patch on channel screen
    -larger meters on screen
    -streaming of que to ipad via wifi and through headphone jack even if there is latency and is compressed … I wish,  then console really could be left backstage. But this is proably wishful thinking 
    -more accuracy then 1db on aux send screen 
    -any possibility of a silent power on and off? The pop is not ideal. In a rental company having to power down the entire system first takes valuable time. However I think this is hardware related. 
    – dante to d snake adapter.  Wishful thinking, though with dante via when released and the Asio drivers I suspose you could use this console with latency enabled dante. Great for overflow rooms on a distributed system. 
    -stage box makes desk bigger. As stage boxes are expensive it would be awesome to have the desk become larger.  Even if processing only allowed for 8 more. If processing really is an issue then remove qu drive in in higher channel counts

    mp3 is standard on most portable profesional and non pro recorders. I’m not saying it’s good quality but it’s fine for low level bgm music playback..  as it uses smaller file sizes the throughput to the usb would be much less. Prossing on board may also be less as its dealing with less data in some respect. Sound quality obviously less.but having a client be able to give you a flash drive with the bgm for a show 5 mins before doors and you being able to play it on the console is very convient. Yamaha has had this for years With the ability to use the user keys as hot start cues for walk up stings.  it really keeps the system self contained And allows for more playback options as the qu16 certainly has the prosesing power to play a mp3.  Not sure about rights but as so many other devices allready do the same thing why would it be a problem?

    Regarding power on and off of the desk.  If if the desk is to be used on a very small gig, a proper audio person is not always around After set up. lighting guys don’t understand a power sequence. Or care as much for the audio kit. Also, from time to time foh has to be moved.  With most higher end desks the desk can be powered off without a pop.  Or in the rare case that the power is lost during a show its not a speaker damaging pop followed by no sound. In the case of powered speakers or large distributed pa systems, or having control in another room on the other side of a wall. turning off the system can take 10 mins as amps and Powered speakers can be 400 meters away on a different power source. It is common for us to use qu16 for distributed pa on different floors or several hundred meters apart. Unplugging all the xlr outputs just to be able to power off the desk is a bit of a waste if there is an easy software fix.  (Doubtful as I believe it’s power supply related) but it’s worth asking. 

    The more information on the screen the better and less learning curve as long as it’s layer out in a logical fashion. 

    Larger meters and more acurate metering on separate pages. I don’t always want to have to use an iPad and not all of my operators have access to an ipad. Larger meters are standard on a number of desks it is just a minor software change.

    Larger input count. Not really necessary as large input jobs require larger desks To be profesional in most cases However, yamaha, soundcraft and many others the stage box adds to the input capacity of the desk to a certain point.  Many desks including digico and others have given free updates that significantly expand the io capability of the desk over time. Granted they may not be in the same price range as qu16 but anything to keep a console competitive and to be the best console in its range….. As they tweak the software they might be able to get more power out of the processors. In many live situations higher channel count is more important then recording dsp.

    Automixer check out dan dugan. Amazing with 12 lav or headset mics on a corporate stage. Unstoppable for a gig I did with 34 un- Switched gooseneck mics in a conference room with all mics on at the same time. speakers 2 meters from mics pointed into them. Definitely not ideal but the dugan was amazing. Kept noise floor down and allowed for maximum gain before feedback. Gating would have been difficult to set up and not sound as good. Dan dugan products   are amazing and becoming industry standard. Behringer x air says it will have it In a later firmare update

    Not 1 to 1 patch is required for pro audio. Especially in the case of visiting engineers.  At this price point I’d like to see it because.  I may want to route a usb playback to a different channel as I need to have both playback and live at the same time. Or patch something to input 1 and 2 at the desk and then do 1 and 2 on the stage box.  Disorganization is very common in the type of events I do and having a flexible patch helps.  Even if it’s just input patch it would be helpful

    #45993
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    Sorry For typing mistakes Responding on phone.

    if extra io made desk larger extra input channels could come up only on the user fader layer. Usb drive could add chanels to the desk as it does on yamaha. 01v96i is in same price range and with stage box or usb io can be a 40 input desk. Though qu16 is better in most respects it’s worth noting.

    #45994
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    Just out of curiosity, what desks are you talking about that can be powered on and off without a pop on a live system?
    Amps I knew about, but this is a revelation to me!
    Rob:)

    #45996
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    If I’m understanding you correctly re the global per aux pre/post fade switch, the manual already explain it on P35. Choose a mix using the blue buttons on the RHS of the console and press and hold the pre fade button on the LHS as though you are going to toggle pre/post for individual sources. Instead of pressing individual Sel buttons on channels, if you press the sel button above the mix master fader, that will toggle all sources to that mix pre/post.

    #47376
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    +1 +1 +1 +1 to “stereo to mix”

    I´ve got two QU-16 and I love them, but the thing I really really miss is a Matrix.
    Every second job (many industrial / gala jobs) I miss a Matrix.
    (to simple add a Delay-Line, Center Speaker or separate Main for Subs eg)

    Pls give us the possibilty to route the main-mix to an Aux (mono or stereo, both would be cool; post preferred, pre/post would be cool but not necessary)

    Would be soooooo helpful for me!!!!

    Can’t be so difficult!?!

    I would pay for it, no problem, but I dont want an QU-24 or bigger because of its dimensions!!!!

    #47475
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    +1

    #51245
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    Hello..! I didn’t have one of A&H digital consoles but I’m thinking to purchase one… and first question for me was why Qu series has no input channel soft/double patching ability..? Is it technical limitation or just a question of time and (maybe) we will see that ability in future firmware updates..? It’s critical feature for me and I think that if answer will be negative I will remove this desk from consideration…

    #51248
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    New thread might have been better?

    Double patching is possible from stage boxes, but the local inputs are hard patched.

    It’s a core proposition of the QU – makes it simple to grok.

    #51251
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    I’m always thought that in many forums most people don’t like when new members starts new threads meaning that about particular subject were discussions already. I found this thread in search and I thought that little part of Buie request was about that

    -input patching that Is not 1 to 1 especially for usb playback

    or maybe I’m wrong..! Anyway… Thanks for quick answer and hope to join A&H digital consoles community.

    #51252
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    back to the question..! 🙂 if I understand you correctly in case of dSNAKE it will be possible for example to plug one mic to input 1 (physical) on snake and patch it on multiple (soft) channels with it’s own processing (Gate, EQ, compression, MIX sends) is it correct..?

    #51255
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    Yes. Preamp levels are obviously shared…

    #51258
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    OK..! I know about same preamp level because of one physical input. You just sold one of Qu-24..! (with one of dSNAKE of course) 🙂 it’s very great news and I think that I just made final decision.

    #51265
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    well my happiness ended with this video http://youtube.com/watch?v=ul1-GwjakS8 where they say that dSNAKE inputs are mapped one-to-one to the Qu input channels..! and it’s bad, bad, VERY BAD..! how can you (A&H) sold that kind of mixing desk as something for near professional use with HARD PATCHED INPUTS and OUTPUTS..? is it DIGITAL console or ANALOG..? this is rhetorical question I know but for me this is unacceptable… How can anybody in presant days work with that… limitation..? (in DIGITAL desk I repeat) How can I separate FOH processing (EQ, compression) from monitors (on MIX sends) for example..? or build different EQ from FOH (again on MIX sends) for each (!) input signal..? (should I buy another mixer for that and clone myself if I prefer to work alone..? or should I use analog “Y” split with DIGITAL mixer, nonsense anyway..!) This is crazy and this is about basics of mixing… a shame for such a solid company.

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