Safes – Main LR setting is being overwritten with new scene

[Michael]

New SQ-5 owner here and first post (also first time digital mixer) and trying to design my first show using SQ Mixpad. I do only live high school musicals with 16 mic inputs, PC supplied sound via ST3R/ST3L inputs, no live music and no other inputs. I’m fairly new to mixing and mixer terminology, so please excuse and correct me where necessary.

I plan on using scenes to only load fader levels and mutes. As I understand it, I need to set up safes so only certain scene settings overwrite existing settings.

(The names in parentheses below are what I’ve labeled the channels in the attached images. I have the Main LR label changing with each scene so I can see the loaded scene name.)

My Issue:
For the current scene, I have one of my inputs (MusMon) routed to only output to my Aux1 (Monito). All other routings are set to “Off” – including Main LR (00). When I load the next scene, the Main LR (01) channel setting is overwritten and turns to “On”.

In my Scenes => Global Filter => Mix tab, I have Main (along with Group/Aux/Matrix) Patch and Processing set to Block. This works to keep the outputs set to Off for everything but the Main LR which is turned On. Any idea how to get the Main LR to stay Off?

I’ve attached screenshots of what happens before and after scene change and my safe global settings.

Just a note, I’m using SQ Mixpad (offline) exclusively to setup the show since the mixer actually arrives on Monday. I’m trying to get the setup handled so I have a full 30 days to evaluate the mixer.

In case you need more info on my setup.

Setup:
My inputs never change and fader channel assignments will never change. I currently plan on 4 mic groups and one music mix. Music output to the house mains comes from ST3R with fader only processing. Music to the stage monitors will be via Aux1 out and will be a mix of ST3R/ST3L.

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[KeithJ A&H]

Hi @Michael

The global filters are detailed in the reference guide here – https://www.allen-heath.com/content/uploads/2023/05/SQ_ReferenceGuide_V1_5_0.pdf#page=60&zoom=auto,-307,390
Changes to sends from inputs to the Main LR mix are allowed/blocked by the Inputs ‘Fader’ switch in global or scene filters, so this is the one you’ll need to set to ‘Block’ to prevent changes to the assignment.

Hope you enjoy getting to know the SQ when it arrives 🙂

Thanks,
Keith.

[Michael]

Thanks Keith for the follow up. In setting a block on Global Filter => Inputs => Fader, it not only blocks changes to the sends from inputs, but then also blocks setting ANY fader levels on my input. The point (for me) in setting up a scene is to set the fader levels for each input – based on who is on stage and who is not.

It seems odd that under Global Filter => Mix, there is a switch for Group, Aux, and Matrix for “Sends” or “Assigns” but not for the Main. Is this something that is a limitation of the system or is this potentially a candidate for a fix or feature update?

Otherwise, this setting has to be manually set in every scene for every input. It feels like a very odd choice in design.

[KeithJ A&H]

@Michael

*THE* Fader, of pre/post fader fame and the one in the input filters is the input channel fader which controls the signal going to the main LR.
This is part of the input channel rather than belonging to a mix, which is why it appears in the input section of the filters rather than in the main LR filters section, but it’s a very similar thing.

Yes, the filter blocks sends to the main LR, both level and assignment.
If you want to have levels change per scene, it should not be set to block.
Then to achieve what you want here, as you say, you would need to store scenes with input channels assigned (or not) to the main LR mix.

Thanks,
Keith.

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