Phase problems with the audio-groups

[Patrick L.]

I had a great first gig with my new Qu24.
But what I have noticed that I once I assign an audio channel to a group a kind of phase problem occur.

Am I doing something wrong or is this a known problem?

[GCumbee]

Sounds like you got a double path going. Channel to LR then channel to group to LR.

Unselect the channel(s) from the LR.

Your path should be Channel> Group> LR.

See if that fixes it.

[Patrick L.]

Thank you, GCumbee!

Your advice has solved my problem.

[Andreas]

…this is probably one of the big differences when coming from analogue desks, where such a combination works well.
Thought about if this may be worth a feature request to align at least the internal signal paths, but realizing all the EQ processing inside a group that’s probably not possible at all (not mentioning the optional delay in each group).

Does anybody know how other digital consoles (GLD, iLive etc.) behave in this respect?

[Detonator]

Andreas –

The only consoles in the entry price level that I am aware of that are phase coherent THROUGH THE MIX BUSSES are the x32/m32 series from Music Group. I have no info on the just announced/released models from Allen & Heath, Yamaha, Avid, Roland, Digico, etc., but on most digital consoles, paralleling a signal through different “length” pathways (ie., #1 straight to LR, #2 through a mixbuss then to LR) introduces latency which causes the “phasing” effect on the signal, which is most noticeable in the higher frequencies, such as vocals…) I learned this in 2006 on an LS9.

Even the x32/m32 will suffer this problem if an effect or signal processor such as EQ is INSERTED on one of the paths of a split signal.

-Tim Tyler

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