Is one way communication with DAW possible?

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  • #94425
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    QUality
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    I don’t know if I am using the right terminology, but this is what I am asking.

    Basically
    I need a multi track recording using USB-B connection with PC.
    For DAW I use Cakewalk by bandlab,
    Official QU16 ASIO driver is installed on Windows 10 desktop.

    As for DAW (Cakewalk)
    I am able to add audio tracks
    I am able to specify tracks that need to be recorded
    I am able to record tracks
    I am able to export tracks to wav file
    After export I am able to listen to wav file

    BUT
    I cannot monitor the feed
    I cannot hear playback

    I searched up the internet,
    common issue was bitrate so I straightened it, but no luck
    Device settings
    Driver settings
    All of them no luck

    Then I noticed in the cakewalk
    That I am unable to route the output signal to PC (realtek stuff)
    The only output options that are available are QU channels
    Same thing happens in the playback settings,
    There are no options to send the playback signals to PC.
    Only QU channels.

    I tried various computers and came up with same results.
    So this is my temporary conclusion
    That QU blocks all the communications within the PC.
    Only DAW to QU, QU to DAW options exist.

    It seems like
    There needs to be an option
    To allow QU to DAW communications
    and block DAW to QU communications

    DAW needs to route signal to PC to monitor
    But once QU is connected
    It blocks all these possibilities
    And hogs all the communications with PC to itself.

    Hope my explanation makes sense / or at least understandable.

    Any help?

    #94426
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    SteffenR
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    ASIO devices get blocked by pro audio software
    and if you are using a pro audio app with a mixer like the QU you easily can monitor through the QU

    #94427
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    QUality
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    Hey thanks for the help
    But I am not sure I understand, can you give a little more detail please?
    I’ve been in the business for a long time, but this DAW thing is still pretty new to me.

    #94429
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    SteffenR
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    I have to be more precise…
    the ASIO device is exclusive used by the audio software and the audio software will only use the ASIO interface for it’s purposes
    to route audio to different devices inside the PC you have to ask the Cakewalk guys what to do
    I think the easiest way would be to connect your speakers to the QU

    #94430
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    QUality
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    Very simple answer. Thank you very much!
    I am trying other DAW softwares

    #94431
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    volounteer
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    @quality

    The problem is your DAW and pc driver not the Qu.
    And I note one way recording is very easy with any of them.
    But you want to ALSO send out which makes things two way not one way.

    I vaguely recall that I had used a DAW that let me record 2 channels while also listening to it.
    The problem may be the large number of channels you have so the DAWs you used do not allow it to stop overloading the pc ability.

    #94439
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    Very simple answer. Thank you very much!
    I am trying other DAW softwares

    they will all be the same in this

    there are possibilities to handle your wish, but I didn’t suggest them in the first place since these add more complexity to the system

    So why not connect your speakers to the QU for monitoring?
    Did you understand what I mean with this?

    #94441
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    QUality
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    You are correct that all the other products being the same.
    I tried pro tools, studio one, all of them free versions but they were the same.
    Cakewalk had the most detailed settings in my opinion actually.

    But, like you said, they were all the same. No playback.
    and I have live situation going on while doing multi track recording, so I wouldn’t add too much complexity.
    I don’t mind complexity, but I am very short on time until the show so…

    and yes, I did understand your suggestion on monitoring with QU
    it seems like multi channels on pc are only affected by the gain settings and not others including faders, gate, EQ, even compressor.
    So I think I will monitor them through QU.

    #94442
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    QUality
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    Hmmmmm this DAW thing still confuses me.
    I didn’t think PC (or DAW) does not need to send any information to QU, but I could be wrong.

    What I thought was

    INPUT:
    I get track info from QU and I record them with DAW

    OUTPUT:
    I don’t need to send signals back QU
    but I need to send signals to audio card in the PC

    Hence the one way, in my logic, but I guess I didn’t understand the mechanism to the full amount.

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    @quality

    The problem is your DAW and pc driver not the Qu.
    And I note one way recording is very easy with any of them.
    But you want to ALSO send out which makes things two way not one way.

    I vaguely recall that I had used a DAW that let me record 2 channels while also listening to it.
    The problem may be the large number of channels you have so the DAWs you used do not allow it to stop overloading the pc ability.

    #94443
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    volounteer
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    @quality

    you are seeing the shortcoming of your pc DAW AND drivers for it

    you might find a separate ap to run that would allow what you want to do
    but I suspect that it would conflict with the way the DAW driver is written
    as they are mostly meant to copy streaming while you listen to it

    WHAT opsys are you using

    win8 crippled sound and win 10 killed it dead
    you might find a linux distro that works okay

    #94444
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    QUality
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    @quality

    you are seeing the shortcoming of your pc DAW AND drivers for it

    you might find a separate ap to run that would allow what you want to do
    but I suspect that it would conflict with the way the DAW driver is written
    as they are mostly meant to copy streaming while you listen to it

    WHAT opsys are you using

    win8 crippled sound and win 10 killed it dead
    you might find a linux distro that works okay

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    I am starting to think that these are the things make people to migrate to Mac.
    This particular system is with Win 10,
    with on board soundcard and cannot afford seperate audio interface due to some financial conflicts.
    Not to mention linux is out of the option due to internal problem of this facility.

    If there was a way
    to convert the input ASIO signal to WDM
    and route it back to cakewalk for listening it would have been possible
    but it seems like no DAW supports this kind of function.

    I can use the QU for monitor
    but that’s possible because I will be doing the live show as well as multi recording.
    How will people do it if they have a separate personnel to do live show and recording?
    Is it really a thing with PC?

    You also mentioned that I might find a separate app. do you happen to know any?
    I use an app called virtual cable from voicemeeter to help out youtubers to direct sound from various places to OBS.

    #94445
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    KeithJ A&H
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    @quality (nice name 🙂 ),

    With Windows, ASIO drivers allow a direct connection between the application and the hardware, as opposed to WDM where the Windows system is acting as an intermediary.
    Generally you would use a single audio device with your DAW, and although there are some ways around this with third party software, we would always recommend using the Qu as the centre point in order to keep all routing and monitoring in one place. This will mean you can use the same headphones/speakers to monitor both the live signals and any playback/monitoring from the DAW.

    The following article describes a multitrack record + stereo return setup – http://support.allen-heath.com/Knowledgebase/Article/View/1142
    We also ran a facebook live session on this exact topic a few months ago which you might find useful – https://www.facebook.com/112696882086203/videos/2618491461749011

    Cheers,
    Keith.

    #94448
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    volounteer
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    @quality

    just record and edit later. if you dont clip you wont have any problems.
    then you can focus on diddling the live show to taste.

    yes winDOZE has no interest in audio as their focus is toys for kiddies playing games on media sites.

    I think it was DAK that was selling the ap that would free up win10 so you could use realtek again.
    About 10-20USD.

    I am skeptical that it would really work as it is probably done in china and another of their sort of works some of the time aps that I have suffered with when they were bundled with specialty hardware (non audio) devices like measuring your spo2 levels in RT while you sleep. If the chinese actually learned about quality and UI/UX and how to develop software like professionals they would rule the world quickly.

    #94449
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    @quality
    I did a lot of multi track live recording in the past with different consoles (but never a QU) and I am using a Windows 10 laptop (Lenovo) with Reaper and the audio interface of the mixing console. I never needed to hear on the PC what i do record. setup the routing and arm the tracks on the DAW and, most important, do not forget to press record right before the show starts. reaper will write single wave files for each track with the same starting time, so they can easily be imported in any other DAW.
    When I am back at home I can do what I want with the recordings. I can mix it on the DAW (seldom) or use it to play back the tracks to a console, the same or a different one, no matter, to mix it on the console for training, VSC or simple mixdown.
    So why do you want a possibility to hear the output of the DAW during recording?

    BTW: I used also a Mac Book Pro for recording in the past. But Apple tends to ignore the needs of their audio related customer more and more, I now work only with windows and my MBP lies in the storage. I had difficulties with Dante and the SQ with my Mac and so the decision was quite easy for me. BUt everybody is free to make their own experiences.

    #94451
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    volounteer
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    @quality

    Just what is it that you really NEED to do?

    Like @mfk0815 and others noted you can record just fine without listening to it and then edit later.

    You say that you are new with using DAW. Are you also new with digital and how it is different from analog?
    There is no need to listen to the recording as it is being made. Edit it later. If you dont clip there is no problem.
    You do not have to listen to push the signal to the max, rather you want a generous (at least 18dB) extra headroom with digital.

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