Fading FX- return from surround (and other things)

[Stonepiano]

I have a quad-system running. There are a couple of tunes, where I send delay return to rear speakers. I’ve not yet figured out a way to do it on one fader. Perhaps a custom-layer or group-setup of some kind? Haven’t had time to dig deeper into the possibilities.
Scenario as follows: I need to bring delay in at certain parts of the tune, feeding only the return to rear. Feeding from mix out 9-10, post all. At the moment, the only way to fade out the rear is going to 9-10 master, but that leaves the effect running at the front, I’d need to have both front and rear fade the FX- return simultaneously. Any ideas?

[Stonepiano]

Come to think of it- if I group mix 9-10 and delay return, it’s then all behind group faders, right? S**t, am I answering my own questions now or what? Production fatigue…

[Anonymous]

DCA?
It’s just the FX return – being fed to both? Can you not just make it a post fade send to the Rear and use the FX return fader?

[Stonepiano]

The way it’s happening now is, that fading the return does not fade it from mix output, even though set post-all. The mix out, that is. But Ice dink grouping will solve this.

[Stonepiano]

Steering clear from DCAs at this point, 24 not having dedicated master faders for them. Absent-minded engineer get confused, trying to find sumptin’ that’s not there. I have both stereo groups to spare, only 20 inputs, easily handled individually. So can dedicate a pair for this.

[Stonepiano]

I realised, that mixes cannot be assigned to audio groups. Took the crude way out of my dilemma, and assigned the delay return+quad- outputs to a mute group. Not very elegant, because the delay would really have to be faded out… but I can live with this until I have the time to set up a DCA-fader on the customlayer, need to study the dca-functionality a little bit.

[MarkPAman]

Not quite sure what you mean when you say it’s set to post all. Direct output setting?

On your delay return channel, select 9/10 and set this to post fade, then turn the send up – try 0dB to start and adjust as required later. Then select L/R. Adjusting the effect level here will now also adjust the level going to the mix out 9/10.

DCA could work here too, but seems a shame to use one up on a task that does not need it. However, it’s well worth reading up on them as the are a very useful tool.

[Stonepiano]

I was looking for a solution in a wrong place. The transition from Yamaha-land has not been completely painless… learning A&H’s intricacies has been an interesting journey so far. Thanks once again, I would never realised that you need to turn up L/R- gain also. I am now experiencing great joy, watching the 9-10 signal-LED disappear as I fade the return.

[Stonepiano]

As far as DCA’s go, never been a fan. They may serve many very well, but all I need on my one layer, would be all individual inputs, no matter how many, and two subgroups- one for drums minus bd & snr, and the other for backing vocals. If more groups available, maybe one for “The Band”, mainly the keyboard/horn-department. Very old school, I’m afraid. Never used DCA’s, even when they first appeared on analog consoles. I might find a use for them in a theatrical project but for live music, I just don’t need ’em. But I do like a shitload of compressors doing 2-3dBs, layered 😜

B.R.
T.K.

[Stonepiano]

And don’t get me wrong- I am happy to have gotten rid of them Y’s. The CLs are fine consoles, but everything between a PM and them was a glorious pain in the arse. Attending our local trade fair in a week from now, definitely want to touch DLive… and start begging for one, probably. OR a Roland 5000.

[Stonepiano]

…and about the mix out being “post all”, I’m afraid I was terribly drunk at the time. I still cannot fathom how my rear speakers fade but followed Mark’s instructions, and they do. So many menus, so little time…

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