EQ on Aux send?

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  • #94622
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    A238LiveMix
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    Just setup a lav mic on our talent. Its a live mix for church service and live streaming, and quality is very important. It was suggested that I route the mic thru an aux send and add an eq to remove rings and then eq the mic for details. Not sure how to do this tho. Any suggestions? SQ-6

    #94628
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    MarkPAman
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    I assume any ringing is due to feedback from speakers connected to L&R outputs? If not, give us some more info on your setup.

    All outputs have both PEQ and graphics, but as lav mics often need to be quite close to the Gain Before Feedback (GBF) threshold extra EQ control is often wanted.

    Usually this is done by routing the problem mic(s) through a group, while turning off their routing direct to L&R. I suspect this is what the person suggesting this to you meant.

    As the SQ is quite a sophisticated beast, there are other ways you could achieve something similar, but as it’s (sort of) what groups are there for, let’s stick to that!

    Aux sends can not (internally) be routed to L&R.

    #94633
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    Mike C
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    Are you wanting to send the lav mic back into stage monitors or is the aux out feeding another zone of speakers in the building or the mix to your live streaming?

    If your trying to put a lav mic or mics back into stage monitors that are in front of
    the person or people wearing the lav mics that can cause a lot of issues!!!

    Marks info is spot on.

    #94657
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    Sorry for the delayed reply.

    We have 2 monitors up front and two behind the preacher for the singers when they are on stage. I turned down the front monitors very low and the back monitors up for the preacher. The wall reflects his voice well enough for him to hear and not get any feedback. It does add a little delay effect, but most people would never notice.

    Our goal(hope) on this mic was to get it EQd enough to eliminate feedback and then obtain the richness of the handheld. We thought it would require some fancy routing based off of other recommendations.

    I have gotten it to sound really full(it even sounds great on the live stream), but it took deep cuts, pushing the limits on the gain, and some heavy compression/gating to cap max volume and reduce hanging frequencies.

    Thank you guys for the advice!

    #94659
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    Mike C
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    Maybe think about splitting the lav mic input into two channels, one channel for the
    main house mix EQ as needed and the second channel only feeding the live stream that would not need as much drastic EQ.

    I would not put the lav in the monitors or at the very least what ever the level it is in them now turn it down some more.

    #94660
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    but it took deep cuts

    whatever it needs too…

    #94661
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    Mike C
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    but it took deep cuts

    whatever it needs too…

    Yep….EQing a lav for live sound re-enforcement can be extreme.

    Have you ever considered one of the many miniature headset mic choices?
    Even the lesser expensive models will be better than most lavs in a live sound
    system.

    #94671
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    +1 for headsets, if you can get people to use them. Some people seem to think it makes them look silly.

    Done plenty of meetings/training sessions where the boss of the company insists on a lav mic, with quiet, thin sound as a result, while the professional public speaker he’s introducing will use a headset and sound 10 times much better.

    #94683
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    Mike C
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    +1 for headsets, if you can get people to use them. Some people seem to think it makes them look silly.

    Done plenty of meetings/training sessions where the boss of the company insists on a lav mic, with quiet, thin sound as a result, while the professional public speaker he’s introducing will use a headset and sound 10 times much better.

    I think it’s a combination of things as to why some people don’t want to use a headset mic.

    The look and or drawing attention in some way to their face, neither is an issue from the perspective of anyone in the audience….but not hearing well is an issue from the audience perspective!!!

    Another thing may be that don’t want to take the extra minute to get the headset mic
    fitted and adjusted.

    Yes, after spending time ringing out the lav channel to get it stable and then you go to a headset mic channel and it just works with maybe a notch or two at the most and it will sound more consistent when the presenter moves their head around.

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