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  • #96502
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    I cannot remember excactly when I did the last defragmentation of a disc. I think it is twenty years or so in the past. And I never thoughtin the meantime that defragmentation would be needed in any way. Modern filesystems helps to minimize performance issues caused by bad file clustering nowadays.

    #96510
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    @mfk0815

    It depends how bad the fragmentation is

    Modern filesystems would need special memory design to avoid problems
    else the seek times whether hardware or looking for cell in a different memory location and reading it out takes more time.

    Disks whether hard or ram based do better with contiguous buckets of data not those scattered around.

    #96511
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    @peach
    Maybe contact allen and heath technical support.

    #96515
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    #96522
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    @SteffenR

    Thanks for confirming what I said.

    I do NOT think it is a good idea to defrag non spinning drives.
    But it may be necessary depending on the design of the memory read out to ensure good audio recordings.

    #96566
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    a SSD drive does not fragment like a hard disk does, the spread of the written data is handled with different strategies
    it is useless to defragment, and the memory read out is handled by the internal controller of the SSD

    MacOS X has it’s own handling of defragmentation, so it is not necessary to maintain any defragmentation by the user at all…
    and it disables defragmentation on SSD

    Disks whether hard or ram based do better with contiguous buckets of data not those scattered around.

    this is not true, a SSD reads all data in the same speed

    #96578
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    Update!

    I did a disk speed test on my external SSD and it was all of a sudden extremely slow.

    I’m a project studio producer so I don’t need all that reliability to e.g. record a band.

    I guess my solution is to have my current projects on the computer and then move it to my external when I’m not working on it. The external has been fine for this so far, I don’t know if it’s the “upgrade” to 48kHz or if something happened to the disk (it’s less than a year old and I haven’t been treating it bad so it doesn’t really make sense).

    Oh and btw to everyone in here assuming: I’m not a man 😉

    #96586
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    @peach

    yep

    ssds get slower

    Why solid-state drive (SSD) performance slows down as it becomes full

    changing the bios might help

    How to Fix Slow SSD Performance in Windows 10

    more info
    https://www.diskpart.com/articles/ssd-slowing-down-7201.html
    Trick 1. Ensure your SATA controller runs in AHCI mode
    Trick 2. Make sure TRIM is running

    Trick 3. Avoid Disk Defragmentation


    you can believe the experts or you can believe some oneeyed guy on the internet

    Trick 4. Verify Hibernation is disabled
    Trick 5. Enable Write Caching for SSD
    Trick 6. Make sure the SSD partition is aligned
    Trick 7. Securely erase SSD

    #97037
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    Well, I see you already figured out that your problem was due to an overflowing SSD. I also used external drives before and I had to use about three of them (each had at least 1 terabyte). In fact, this is really very inconvenient. Several times I even lost a project that was in the process of rendering as the ssd was filling up. In the end, I decided to switch to cloud storage. The only limitation is your internet speed. Now many clouds can provide very high speed of both uploading and downloading files, you are also not limited in volume, which is also very convenient. I use the cloud both for storing my personal files and for work. I can access files even from the TV (if it is connected to the Internet) and it seems to me that this is very convenient. Recently, I watch many films or TV series either from the cloud or from movs.to, since I simply do not need other services. I hope you are thinking about switching to cloud storage. Have a nice day!

    #97043
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    @hansiel

    Looks like a toss up then.

    You lost data on media, but not the cloud.
    I have lost data in the cloud.
    So far no data lost on local media.

    #97256
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    Trick 3. Avoid Disk Defragmentation

    this is what we told you all the time
    what you are thinking is that they recommend to not let the drive fragment over time, but this is not…

    from discpart…

    Disk Defragmentation is quite useful for hard drives with moving parts since it can bring all the parts of a file together and reduce the file system fragmentation to improve the data retrieval efficiency.

    However, this should never be run on an SSD because it does not have any moving parts, so whether the files are fragmented is not important. If you run defragmentation on SSD, it will add extra wear and tear by increasing the number of writing and reading, and finally lead to the SSD drive running slow and even decrease its expected lifespan. It is wise to disable the disk defragmentation on SSD.

    this is what is written under YOUR link

    #97269
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    @SteffenR

    I always said defragging was bad for SSDs.

    I stand by my answer for that original audio problem defragging is often the necessary solution.

    Just found an A&H link that said to defrag.
    Wish I had bookmarked it to let you read it without searching.

    #97383
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    always said defragging was bad for SSDs.

    really? but still reccomend it?

    https://community.allen-heath.com/forums/topic/disk-overload-audio-dropouts-w-ableton/#post-96454

    #97385
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    @SteffenR

    Of course I still recommend it as it is the proper solution to the problem that was occurring
    Not a good solution but still the only solution for using that device to get the results wanted with recording

    Better to get a rotating disk but people like SSDs for some reason

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