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  • #61715
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    bolupona
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    I’m trying to get some help. Is there a way to set up my consoles/DCAs not to affect my monitor mixes. I am mixing FOH and Monitor from FOH and I send my monitor mixes, pre-fader. But it seems like my DCAs are affecting my monitors send.
    I typically rely on mixing with DCAs for FOH.
    Is there a work around this??

    Thanks.

    #61723
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    tpaulding
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    We have the same issue/feature request. We just moved from Yamaha M7 & CL5s and used DCAs as mix groups and also house mutes while keeping things live in ears. As a work-around/new way of thinking, I did verify that I can pull the DCA faders down and get the same impact as a mute while it still keeps them live in (pre-fader) ears.

    #61813
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    ddff_lv
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    Are you using same channels for FOH and Mon? With dLive channel count you easily can have different channels for monitors and then DCA mute is not a problem anymore.

    ddff

    #61831
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    bolupona
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    Yes I’m running using both channels for both FOH & Monitor. I have the bands on IEM, via the ME-1, which works greats since the DCA only affectss the items I’m sending to them via aux. Anything direct I’m sending isn’t affected. Ideally, I’ll like to adjust my FOH using my DCAs and not worry about it affecting the wedges on stages, which is mostly for the Pastor and Singers.
    That why I can focus on a few faders & section that having to go to my 60 or channels.

    #61878
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    Mr.X
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    I don’t have a dLive, but it sounds like you have your mixes set to post-fader.

    #61879
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    bolupona
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    Mixes are set pre-fader.

    #61880
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    Mr.X
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    Then that is a bug and a serious one at that. DCAs are in essence remote controls for the channel faders. They should never affect anything that is pre-fader.

    #61881
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    tpaulding
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    I spoke on the phone with A&H’s systems integration guy and he confirmed that the software was programmed that way. DCAs are mute groups in essence.

    Submit feature requests!

    #61882
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    bolupona
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    Whoa! That’s a bummer. I guess I’ll request for that feature. That’s an important feature to have…

    #61883
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    Mr.X
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    I spoke on the phone with A&H’s systems integration guy and he confirmed that the software was programmed that way. DCAs are mute groups in essence.

    If you are saying that the DCA fader affects pre-fader channel sends, then I have a hard time believing that they would do this on purpose. No console in the world works that way, analog or digital, including AFAIK all other A&H consoles.

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    #61884
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    bolupona
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    When you get your hands on a D-Live series, check it out for yourself.

    #61885
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    tpaulding
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    @bolupona, I have a dLIVE and the phone call I placed was in effort to find, what I assumed to be, an obvious setting somewhere to fix what I thought was wrong… no setting existed.

    #61887
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    Mr.X
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    @bolupona, I have a dLIVE and the phone call I placed was in effort to find, what I assumed to be, an obvious setting somewhere to fix what I thought was wrong… no setting existed.

    Oh it’s definitely wrong.
    Hopefully someone from A&H will chime in to explain why this console would be built to operate differently than literally every other console in the world.
    It’s like having the faders where the top was off and bottom is max. It’s a mistake that I would expect they would have fixed before the product was released.

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    #61890
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    ddff_lv
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    Are we talking about DCA mute, that mutes whole channel, thus no signal is passed to pre-fade auxes or pre-fade aux send level is being affected by DCA fader position?

    ddff

    #61892
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    Nicola A&H
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    I think we are talking about two different things.

    Reading the thread, bolupona is saying that DCA faders affect pre-fade sends. That’s incorrect. I would advise to check your pre/post settings again, these are set per channel, per aux. Press Mix on an Aux strip and you should see ‘Pre’ indicators on all channel displays. Alternatively, select the Aux and have a look at the Routing screen.

    tpaulding is saying that DCA mutes affect pre-fade sends, like the channel mute does. That’s correct. It seems there is no consensus on this as some engineers prefer it the way it is, but hopefully we can make it an option in a future release.

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