Channel Meter Point Needs To Be Pre AMM

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  • #83551
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    The AMM meter point is currenlty post AMM so as soon as one channel with AMM is faded up all the other channel meters ( LED and on screen ) stop showing metering. This makes mixing a discussion with the help of the AMM impossible.
    It should be considered a bug but maybe it could be a selectable meter option pre / post AMM?
    Thanks.

    #84304
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    +1

    #84313
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    Didn’t try this amm (sq just unboxed 3 days ago) but on the cl5 i always set the meter post fader . This way allows me to know Who and where is the opened mic at every moment. But i agree to have the choice is usefull.. for example pre fader when you re setting your preamps and post fader for the service

    #84367
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    Hi,

    The major problem is that PFL doesn’t even work, so when the AMM is in and someone else is talking / fader open you can’t PFL any other channel as it’s ‘muted’ by the AMM.

    Another issue with it being post fade is in the following scenario:
    – 8 x lavalier radio mics
    – 2 x hand held radio mics.
    All presenters have done their presentations and you get to a Q&A with 2 x presenters on lavaliers and 2 x hand helds, some of the other presenters are in the audience, one has left the room to take a comfort break, and one has left the room to call his wife. The Q&A is proceeding and one of the presenters in the room starts to contribute – you have no idea who this is as the meters show nothing and you can’t PFL anything. You can’t bring all the mics up as there are people not in the room.

    Both the above issues make the AMM unusable in its current state.

    It urgently needs resolving.

    Thanks.

    #96660
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    +1

    An PreAMM-Metering is very important for EVERY situation with unexpected interaction with people out of sight to react quick enough.
    Since the Mixpad app also uses the same measuring point, it is not very helpful. Kind of a workaround is an App called “Mixing Station” or a DAW connected via Post-Pre/Insert/EQ-DirectOut.
    But that’s tinkering around the edges.

    The PFL can be set to “POST EQ”, that’s a solid solution for PFL-Monitoring.

    #96881
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    It’s odd how A&H resolutely refuse to address both the PFL and meter issues with the AMM.

    Fundamentally it’s in the wrong place in the signal chain…it should be post fade.

    #96884
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    As for the PAFL in the audio set up menu the PAFL pick off point can be set to pick off the signal at three points all pre AMM.

    Also are you operating the AMM in follow fader mode. That way when some presenters leave the room with mics still on and with their channel fader down any audio input from them will not be falsely triggering the AMM.

    If the follow fader mode is not turned on even with their channel fader turned down their
    audio input is still detected and adding un needed gain changes to the AMM even though
    their audio is not in the mix.

    #96888
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    The AMM should always be post fade, and PFL should ideally be just pre-fade so you can hear what you are about to make live. The last pre-fade pick point is pre-compressor, so although it’s not too bad having it pre-compressor, it seems an odd move not to have a PFL pick point just pre fade. I know A&H will have thought about it long and hard so there will be a reason.

    The metering issue is not solved in follow fader mode, as the meter pick point is post AMM gain block ( this is one of the many reasons why it’s imperative for the AMM to be post fade ( not just keyed post fade ) ), so currently you can never see the level of the channel, as @audiobo says, once the AMM on another channel is open.

    #96893
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    let’s try to bring it down to a simple point:

    “Pre Fade Listening” means that your signal is independent of the fader position.
    If the PFL signal is behind a leveling tool whose operation depends on the fader, then it is not a real PFL .

    It’s odd how A&H resolutely refuse to address both the PFL and meter issues with the AMM.

    Is this really true, or is it just “out of sight”, maybe?

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